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Offline Martinus

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the laser would melt the mirror.

[color=66ff00]Yeah, any slight imperfections in the miror would be susceptable to the laser energy. Irrespective, dump enough energy onto it and it'll burn up.
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I bet Russia is going to develop new anti laser weapon system, the super-perfecty mirror.

This ultra modern system is used to portect missles. It's supported by the most modern refrigerator technologies, to prevent melting. :rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I don't take this too seriously. :)


As long as Germany and the USA are friends, I don't think it's a bad thing. ;)
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Well, considering how even a single speck of dust would ruin a laser mirror, I don't see how it'd be remotely possible to have missiles with superb mirrors on them.

That said, the missile would only need to survive long enough to get close...

 
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You think we'd share this tech with all our NATO buddies?

 

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That said, the missile would only need to survive long enough to get close...

A stealth missile, maybe...

 

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[color=66ff00]I'm morbidly fascinated by the idea of guided bullets. Nano machined smart bullets that can change their profile on the fly and thus change direction.

It's been a speculated use of nano factories and vaguely terrifies me.
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Why vaguely? It terrifies the **** out of me. As do space lasers, space missles, airborne beam weaponry and pretty much everything coming out of the dark corners of the Pentagon's R&D department. At some basic level, being able to kill people is good. It levels the playing field. The prospect of a small group being able to protect themselves better than anyone else, while inflicting harm better than anyone else, is not a very pleasant one.

 

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Very interesting. This sort of stuff is one career option I'm looking at, so it's good to see that there is still progress being made.

The ML-16 sucks ass though. :p

 

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That depends upon the small group, and whether you are a part of the small group, and whether you approve of what the small group does, doesn't it though?

There have been rumors for years (to the point where it's largely accepted as true) that the B-2 mounts small dorsal and ventral lasers of this type, capable of burning out a missile's IR seekerhead. In effect, they may be announcing it now, but it's widely believed it's been in operational deployment for much longer.

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You know how they shot down that stealth bomber in yugoslavia? That  bomber was flying the same route 3 times in a row. On the third time, three people with cellphones, and one with a RPG is needed. One person hears the plane pass, class the third. Second person hears the plane pass, calls the third. Third does some rough calculation, then times, and tells the RPG guy to fire straight upwards. Bam.


T'aint that simple, son. Stealth aircraft are optimized to fly at high altitudes.

What happened in Yugoslavia? Pretty much what Aldo said, except they launched about twenty of the new and fairly nice SA-18 shoulder-fired SAMs, and even so they didn't get more then one or two hits. What ultimately killed that F-117, though, was a stupid mission planner and an equally stupid pilot.  One, for using the same route repeatedly, and two, for flying so low when he's safest at high altitude in a Stealth.
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I read the serbs got that stealth by using heavy AAAf to create a corridor of least resistance, and suckered it into a hittable position.  I believe it was an SA-6 or SA-7 SAM that hit it.


AAA guns brought it down as it flew constantly the same route. And it was flying rather low for some reason.

I saw the footage from the serbian television that day - there were many bullet holes on it's wings..
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I'm not exactly intamately informed upon the Russian's current status Militarily and Economically;



Actually selling military hardware is a big business in Russia. They are always developing new weapons and other stuff like that, mostly for export.

A good example of Russian weapon development is the Sukhoi 47.

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Why vaguely? It terrifies the **** out of me. As do space lasers, space missles, airborne beam weaponry and pretty much everything coming out of the dark corners of the Pentagon's R&D department. At some basic level, being able to kill people is good. It levels the playing field. The prospect of a small group being able to protect themselves better than anyone else, while inflicting harm better than anyone else, is not a very pleasant one.


Among the powers of the world the US military is not very big. Its edge is its technological superiority. Its the goal of every military since the dawn of mankind to inflict as many casulaties on the enemy while sustaining as little as possible. If other countries cant compete with our technological advances, then they dont deserve to be in control. Plus i would fear tyrannical governments like N Korea and China more than the US military.

 

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Originally posted by DeepSpace9er
[...] If other countries cant compete with our technological advances, then they dont deserve to be in control. [...]


That is a dangerous attitude. Sounds like the germans in the second world war.

I hope you don't think that military power allows somebody to be in control.
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Originally posted by Bobboau


/*gives laser the ability to fire at any range within a very wide spectrum, includeing those redaly absobed by mirrors.*/


Not possible, a laser is built to ocscillate at one specific frequency. If you want to emmit another frequency, you need another laser.

Your typical mirror reflects 95% of the incoming light. So if you want to melt a mirror in reasonable time, you need a pretty strong laser, which is likely strong enough to ionize air, thus absorbing the laser beam.
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If you sued very well made prisms, could you give a single laser on an aircraft the ability to fire in near all directions?
actualy, mabye not.
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If other countries cant compete with our technological advances, then they dont deserve to be in control.


The Nazi's in WW2 did indeed think very much the same thing. By the time the war ended, they had jet fighters in use and balistic missiles in use, both were way ahead of their time. But in development (and would have been deployed in less than a year after the war ended) were fly by wire flight control systems, guided AA missiles, and also a long range strategic bomber that looked almost exactly like the B2 Spirit. They also had other jet bombers in development too. They were even doing research into anti-gravity technology. Most of that stuff wasn't seen for at least a decade after the war ended.

Yet the Nazis lost the war. The point is, having lots of super advanced military crap doesn't garentee victory.

There was a wargame a few years ago that tested the US militaries high tech approach to warfare. They brought in a retired general to lead the simulated enemy. Using unconventional guerilla warfare, and overwhelming cruise missile attacks, the "enemy" "sank" a total of 19 US Navy vessels. The military just hit the reset button on the simulation and refused to deal with the limitations of the high tech approach. You can bet countries like China are all over that one.
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You think we'd share this tech with all our NATO buddies?


Oddly enough, I was reading in a free paper today that it's being developed specifically for the joint US/NATO development of, I think, the F35 stealth air-superiority fighter, which would become the stock and trade of both European and American air control forces. They might play the people against each other, but they certainly won't let a war get in the way of making huge profits ;)

Edit : Interesting considerations...

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2002-07/ns-flm072402.php
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Yet the Nazis lost the war. The point is, having lots of super advanced military crap doesn't garentee victory.
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Yeah, but I think the most important point is, being powerful, doesn't mean you're allowed to do anything you want.

Military is used for defense by the good guys and for offense by the bad guys. Except for some really rare special cases.

I don't see a reason for increasing the military power. All powerful nations are allies. Nobody has a chance against the full power of the UN anyway, so why should a nation waste money for this?
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2 words: "American Paranoia". I think that is the big reason behind the massive military spending in the US.
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