[Janos]

I just saw a chihuahua today. I drew a picture of it. It was a happy fella.
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/6342/sivava5kb.jpg

[Martinus]

[color=66ff00]Lets look at all this logically. Read the guy's article and the replies again, then think.

He hates the French, specifically he says "There's a billion reasons to hate the French", this would more than suggest that he's using this non-verified article to reinforce an already well formed opinion.

From the about page (emphasis mine):[/color]

IDontLikeYouInThatWay.com posts accurately reported facts, as well as rumor, conjecture and gossip. We make a concerted effort to present facts as accurately as possible and to present any commentary as clearly distinguishable from any factual reporting. Although, keep in mind, I also just make up a bunch of this crap. Except for that one about your mom likin' it rough. Man, that chick's a freak. Any real stories will be linked and the source attributed.

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The relatively recent wave of French hating has come about for only one reason: The american media has reinforced France's no support stance in the american people's minds. They've used Bush's 'if you're not with us your against us' policy and pushed it to the point where any unreasonable or uneducated person jumps on the anti-French bandwagon. Thus logically a deluded remark made by one particular government official has become a country wide racist sentiment facilitated by the media.

Bush and various american interests went to Iraq to seize oil. Anyone who believes it was to free the Iraqi people from tyranny explain the immense speed at which the army secured oilfields and the lack of any WMD's (the reason why Bush pushed the war).

What does your moral sense consider a more heinous act: Using small animals as bait or riding the wave of racism towards France because they disagreed with the american government's push for war?[/color]

Originally posted by Sandwich


Hence, ladies and germs, why Dave B left. I can't blame him. All this Bush-bashing is pathetic. No, really. Pathetic.

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When someone brings up a detracting fact or statement about the american administration it is often lauded as Bush bashing and discounted offhand because people don't like what they're hearing.

Can you find fault in my reasoning? I'm not in any way infallible, I simply see a racist attack wrapped in a non-verified story.
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[StratComm]

That reasoning is fine, to a point.  I can't really offer any question to the evidence that the guy is a bigoted racist jerk, nor that the internet provides ample oppertunity for people to publish such garbage with impunity.  The disjoint comes where you go from his opinions, which are his own, to those of "americans" or "the american government" or even the assumption that this ties in any way to the "relatively recent wave of French-hating".  That tie is unfounded because I know, from personal experience, that this sort of attitude has been around since long before Iraq.  Nevermind that bringing politics into this thread was absolutely unnecessary in the first place, which is really the entire concern with "bush-bashing" (or "bringing up a detracting fact or statement about the american administration" or whatever you want to call it) because it infiltrates topics where it has absolutely no place and just flames things up.  It is totally unnecessary and in the context of the thread was completely out of place.

[Martinus]

[color=66ff00]I believe the thread became political as soon as that spiel was linked.

Read between the lines, the article is an attack against the entire French nation based on the fishing habits of a small French-owned island.

Why can't anyone see that? I'm not even stretching for a connection here it's blatently obvious.
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[StratComm]

Have you read the rest of his articles Maeg?  Because from everything I can tell that site is just full of pompous crap.  Is there a greater meaning behind it?  Maybe, but when viewed in context of the rest of the posts from that month that article is basically more of the same.  And none of the others mention France.  The article isn't political, it's a shock-jock-wannabe with a website.  There really isn't any reason to read any pointed politics into it.

EDIT: plus, Jetmech at least tried posting a link from a french website that pertained to the story.  Which pretty much rules out the possiblity that the whole thing was fabricated for some french-bashing.

[Martinus]

Originally posted by StratComm
Have you read the rest of his articles Maeg?  Because from everything I can tell that site is just full of pompous crap.  Is there a greater meaning behind it?  Maybe, but when viewed in context of the rest of the posts from that month that article is basically more of the same.  And none of the others mention France.  The article isn't political, it's a shock-jock-wannabe with a website.  There really isn't any reason to read any pointed politics into it.

EDIT: plus, Jetmech at least tried posting a link from a french website that pertained to the story.  Which pretty much rules out the possiblity that the whole thing was fabricated for some french-bashing.

[color=66ff00]The link does not appear to work, what was the content of the second URL?

You should take any of Brigitte Bardot's claims with a rather significant pinch of salt in any case: Link
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[vyper]

Ooh, there's a blow for democracy and free speech. Ironic a nation that lauds liberty would fine someone for saying something they don't like.



Disclaimer: I would never mean to imply that western governments, my own included, are becoming fascist. Please don't sue me.

[Jetmech Jr.]

Originally posted by Maeglamor

[color=66ff00]The link does not appear to work, what was the content of the second URL?

You should take any of Brigitte Bardot's claims with a rather significant pinch of salt in any case: Link
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1. I am NOT advocating hating of the French.

2. I know the link is fairly suspect, hence why I posted the Video clip in my second post.

3. Yes, Bardot's a racist *****.

4. The second link is a video clip showing the dog in question (mentioned in the article) with a 6 inch HOOK attached to it's face.

Jesus ****ing christ, will you all just shut the hell up? Why the **** is the "comments section" on Bush getting more attention than the actual ****ing article? I post a bunch a goddamn people using LIVE KITTENS AND PUPPIES AS SHARK BAIT and it's automatically "America is t3h 3v1L.

Heres another link. Click the picture UNDER the rooster ( the one of hte dog with the hook in its face, in other words:

http://www.30millionsdamis.fr/

[Jetmech Jr.]

And to get this thread back on track:

[mikhael]

Originally posted by Maeglamor
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The relatively recent wave of French hating has come about for only one reason: The american media has reinforced France's no support stance in the american people's minds.
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For the record: Americans have been bashing the French since WW1. This is a resurgence of an old phenomenon. If your reasoning were valid, we'd stil be bashing the Germans and everyone else, and we're not.

As for the media, are you sure its not you that's getting a distorted picture there? I don't remember the media (with the exception of Murdoch properties, and he's not th etotatlity. YET) pushing an anti-France agenda. I remember an anti-WAR agenda though, which would tend to agree with France, not vice-versa.

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by mikhael


I thought DaveB left because most of the populace are pretentious, egocentric, uptight dickheads who honestly believe their opinion constitutes fact?

Nope. I believe the quote was "rampant anti-americanism".

[Jetmech Jr.]

Originally posted by aldo_14


Ok, then make it hunting moose - you could just about kill a moose with a rolled up newspaper, it's a cow as drawn by a 3 year old.

Thats a joke right? A crash between a moose and a car is considered likely fatal for both the moose AND the motorist:

http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/moose.asp

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Sandwich


Nope. I believe the quote was "rampant anti-americanism".

Proving that [V] are about 2-3 years ahead of everyone else yet again

To be fair to DaveB that's one of the few times I agree that things were being anti-american. To react to the Columbia disaster with anything else than sadness and regret was pretty disgusting as far as I was concerned.

[Unknown Target]

Um...both links are down. Wtf are you people talking about?

[Jetmech Jr.]

The first one works, the second one doesn't, the Third one does.

Check again.

[Unknown Target]

Wow. That's horrid.
Doesn't mean you shold hate the ENTIRE FRENCH CULTURE because of something one small fishing island does. Hate the people that do it, not the people that are completely unrelated.

[Bobboau]

who gives a damn theyr animals that no one cares about, they were probly bred for the purpose of being bait, and even if they werent there going to die anyway, might as well be in the survice of a superior speciese.

[Jetmech Jr.]

Is that sarcasm?

Sure, why don't we just throw a couple dead human babies in the water for the same purpose. Who cares about someone else's deceased kids, anyways, huh?

Why don't we just start picking up people off the street that no one cares about? Use them for chemical testing subjects? Who cares about the homeless?

You do realize that, given that people are upset about this, and that there are organizations are trying to help them, it seems like people DO care.

If you're being sarcastic, none of that appies to you. If you're not, rot in hell, you insensitive prick.

And need I quote:

1. I am NOT advocating hating of the French.

[Bobboau]

well it's not like these guys sneaked into someones house and grabed there beloved pet and used it as fishing bait, there just stupid animals, just because there cute and fuzy doesn't make them any more human, any beter, if you will, than any other fish bait. do you have a problem with worms being used? leaches? crabs? sand fleas? countles types of bait fish? frogs? mice/rats?
do you have a problem with the countless places in the world were dogs/cats are eaten directly? or horses? or monkeys?

do you breath air and release carbon dioxide as a byproduct? well then go to hell and rot for being a gung hoe poluter responcable for all unfiltered filth that goes into the air.

what nuts you say? no more than your inane stupid.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Jetmech Jr.


Thats a joke right? A crash between a moose and a car is considered likely fatal for both the moose AND the motorist:

http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/moose.asp

So does colliding with a tree.  It doesn't make the tree a challenging hunt, does it?