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Offline Martinus

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[color=66ff00]I think your problem is that you want a copy of Windows with 'Linux' slapped on the packaging.

You've missed the point of linux all together. Linux is choice.
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Well said, Maeg.

Sandwich, when it comes to Choice, the world IS binary. There's CHOICE and there's NO CHOICE.  Choice might further subdivide, but to get to the subdivisions you have to already fallen down on the side of CHOICE. You might disagree with how much choice a user should have, but that can only be a personal thing: you can't determine how much choice everyone else should have. You made the following comment:
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I'm calling for the 'equivalent' to be agreed upon, voted into office, picked at random, whatever.
That's already been done. That's why you can buy Mandrake and SuSE at the store. Or, if you want to download one, you can visit DistroWatch's "Top 5 Beginner Friendly Distros" list, or do a little reading around Distrowatch.com. A search for "Beginner Friendly Linux" on Google reveals useful resources. You just have to make an effort.

Finally, let me address something very specifically:
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B) LIke I said, and like you quoted me as saying, my not wanting to search for help on changing resolutions is not the point. The point was that if a computer-savvy guy like me couldn't figure out how to change the resolution, then something was seriously flawed (in that distro and version).
You can liken it to using an elevator. Sure, you could make all the buttons identical, with super-cryptic labels, forcing elevator newbies to ask the vets how to get to the 5th floor, but why not just make it easy for all, put a simple label on the button (something along the lines of "5" would do quite nicely), and be done with it?

Two things here. First, you complaint is valid, but only partially, because it came from self enforced ignorance. Back then, the X server could not natively change internal resolutions. It wasn't something that was done on X. At all. Ever. You restarted the X server to change resolutions. However, some basic investigation, on your own machine, in the man pages for X would have revealed that you needed to adjust some things in your X configuration file. If you had asked a veteran, he or she would have pointed out that nearly everything in *nix is configured with a text file. That single bit of knowledge will take you a VERY long way to adjusting nearly anything on a *nix system. After that, a computer savvy guy like you could have solved the problem in mere minutes.

But now we get to the second part. A windowing system is not like an elevator. An elevator is a simple gadget. Its got doors, its got floors, its got buttons and it moves up and down. That's all. A windowing system is more like... oh... a fleet of ships. There's a lot of factors, a lot of variables and everything has to work together in the right way. You weren't asking to go to the fifth floor, Sandwich. You were asking to reroute the elevator around the 2nd, 3rd and 4th floors, and asking it to open next to your cubicle, instead of the wall the elevator shafts were hidden behind. That was back then. If you had the same problem these days, yes, you would have been complaining about a cryptically labeled fifth floor button. Regardless, though, in both cases (then and now) examining documentation and asking for help, whether you are "computer savvy" or not, is not unreasonable.

I guess what I'm trying to say, Sandwich is that you must be THIS TALL to ride the ride:[list=1]
  • You must be willing to read the documentation.
  • You must be willing to ask for guidance.
  • You must be willing to have patience.
  • You must not expect it to be Windows, MacOS or anything but *nix.

If you don't meet these criteria, don't get in line to ride this ride. If you think that's unreasonable, tough. Its the minimum standard. Jesus, if you leave out the last point, you have what I consider to be the dead minimum standard for computer use, full stop.

You're saying *nix should do this and the other thing for acceptance by the general public for a desktop OS. I'm saying you're wrong to think that acceptance by the general public as a desktop OS is at all relevant.
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Offline Fury

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Originally posted by Kamikaze
Mr. Fury:
For that Opera problem you probably need the lesstif2 package. On my system (Debian testing) opera 8.5 is shown to depend on libmotif (>= 2) or lesstif2. It may be different on Ubuntu but your package manager should point out the specific dependency.

Yeah, unfortunately I had lesstif2 already installed, so that's not it. :)

 

Offline Kamikaze

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Re: Re: Re: The Problem With Linux
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Originally posted by Sandwich
You're not making sense here, Mik ol' chap. I'm not referring to an existing all-inclusive "Linux"... I'm calling for the 'equivalent' to be agreed upon, voted into office, picked at random, whatever. For there to be one (or a very few) address(s), not 365 (see disclaimer at the bottom of the post).


I've said many times. This is impossible. It will never happen. It can't happen. This is what the GPL , kernel developers and the Linux trademark guarantees.

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"Too Much Choice" would be providing a different laptop model depending on if the RAM chips are Crucial Memory or Kingston. Or whether the BIOS battery is big and flat or short and stocky. These are decisions that - for a very large percentage of the population - serve no purpose other than to confuse and exacerbate.
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Not a very good analogy. If you choose Suse (or Fedora, Mandrake or whatever) you will be limited in choices like on Windows or Mac OS X like you want. Suse might ask a couple things like "How will you partition your drive?", "What language keyboard do you use?". But you know what? I bet it'll ask less than Windows XP (I can guarantee that the Debian installer asks less than the Windows XP installer from experience).

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"Just The Right Amount of Choice" would be offering 512Mb or 1Gb, a CD-RW/DVD-ROM, or a DVD-R/W drive. Basically the kind of choices you find on any laptop manufacturer's website today.


Oh, you mean like on every user friendly Linux distro?

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Let me close with my now-common disclaimer: all my suggestions on what should change are ONLY IF YOU WANT TO MAKE INROADS among the current base of Windows users. It doesn't count for completely new computer users, nor is it a signal of some sort that Linux distros are doing what they do wrongly. They're great - for us geeks. To capture non-geek Windows users, something needs to change.


I don't want it to make "inroads", I use Debian and hope it will never degrade to flashy graphical crap messing with my configuration files.

Novell, Redhat and Mandriva sure seem to want to though. Oh wait, they also make distros with flashy graphical installers, graphical bootscreens, pretty Windows style login screens, preconfigured desktops and menus, and graphical configurations for everything. Hmm. *shrug*
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Science alone of all the subjects contains within itself the lesson of the danger of belief in the infallibility of the greatest teachers in the preceding generation . . .Learn from science that you must doubt the experts. As a matter of fact, I can also define science another way: Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. - Richard Feynman

 

Offline Fury

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Re: Re: Re: Re: The Problem With Linux
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Originally posted by Kamikaze
I don't want it to make "inroads", I use Debian and hope it will never degrade to flashy graphical crap messing with my configuration files.

Novell, Redhat and Mandriva sure seem to want to though. Oh wait, they also make distros with flashy graphical installers, graphical bootscreens, pretty Windows style login screens, preconfigured desktops and menus, and graphical configurations for everything. Hmm. *shrug*

There seem to be distros for all kinds of people, for those who prefer graphical tools to get the job done and those who prefer 'old skool' terminal. As far as I am concerned, Debian can be what it currently is, while other distros based on Debian can aim to be more new linux user friendly with graphical flashiness. :) Since there's Debian under the hood, I doubt it will pose any difficulty to go 'old skool' when necessary. I think this covered why I chose Ubuntu instead of, say SuSe.

 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Problem With Linux
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Originally posted by Mr. Fury

There seem to be distros for all kinds of people...



See, Sandwich? this is what I'm talking about. :D

Thanks, Fury.
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Offline Kamikaze

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Problem With Linux
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Originally posted by Mr. Fury

As far as I am concerned, Debian can be what it currently is, while other distros based on Debian can aim to be more new linux user friendly with graphical flashiness. :) Since there's Debian under the hood, I doubt it will pose any difficulty to go 'old skool' when necessary. I think this covered why I chose Ubuntu instead of, say SuSe.


Very true. :yes: Debian isn't the easiest to use, but it has a very robust packaging system (apt). I'm glad that Ubuntu, Knoppix and others improve on it. One of apt's greatest strengths, that Ubuntu and the like build on, is its ability to use different repositories. This can only happen in an environment with choice, not "the one distro".

BTW:
This may help for configuring Opera: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperaBrowser
« Last Edit: October 17, 2005, 01:16:51 am by 179 »
Science alone of all the subjects contains within itself the lesson of the danger of belief in the infallibility of the greatest teachers in the preceding generation . . .Learn from science that you must doubt the experts. As a matter of fact, I can also define science another way: Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. - Richard Feynman

 

Offline Fury

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Problem With Linux
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Originally posted by Kamikaze
BTW:
This may help for configuring Opera: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperaBrowser

Yeah, thanks. I found it yesterday but it was too late in the night by then, I'll check it out later today when I am back from work. :)

 

Offline Fury

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Ubuntu, an alternative to Windows? Not bloody likely unless you're at least a Windows geek even if you have next to no knowledge about linux.

Gah.

 

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I'm in Ubuntu, thanks to the LiveCD. However, during boot, it halts indefinitely at the "Enterprise Volume Management System" (or something like that.. "enterprise" and "volume" were definitely in there) stage. I have to hit CTRL-C to get it to skip that stage and complete the boot process.

Now, I was talking with Maeg online, and he was trying to help me figure out why I couldn't find any HDDs in Ubuntu. I have two 160Gb SATA HDDs, and two IDE HDDs, one 60Gb and one 16Gb. :p He had me run "dmesg" in the terminal window, and this is what I got:

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[4295321.839000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295321.839000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295321.839000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295321.839000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295321.839000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 645
[4295323.173000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295323.173000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295323.173000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295323.173000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295323.173000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295323.173000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 647
[4295323.173000] printk: 3 messages suppressed.
[4295323.173000] Buffer I/O error on device dm-7, logical block 292
[4295324.506000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295324.506000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295324.506000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295324.506000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295324.506000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295324.507000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 649
[4295325.848000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295325.848000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295325.848000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295325.848000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295325.848000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295325.848000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 651
[4295327.182000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295327.182000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295327.182000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295327.182000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295327.182000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295327.182000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 653
[4295328.524000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295328.524000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295328.524000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295328.524000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295328.524000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295328.524000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 655
[4295328.524000] printk: 3 messages suppressed.
[4295328.524000] Buffer I/O error on device dm-7, logical block 296
[4295329.857000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295329.857000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295329.857000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295329.857000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295329.857000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295329.857000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 657
[4295331.191000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295331.191000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295331.191000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295331.191000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295331.191000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295331.191000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 659
[4295332.524000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295332.524000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295332.524000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295332.524000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295332.524000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295332.524000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 661
[4295332.524000] printk: 2 messages suppressed.
[4295332.524000] Buffer I/O error on device dm-7, logical block 299
[4295333.858000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295333.858000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295333.858000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295333.858000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295333.858000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295333.858000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 663
[4295335.191000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295335.191000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295335.192000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295335.192000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295335.192000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295335.192000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 665
[4295336.525000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295336.525000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295336.525000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295336.525000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295336.525000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295336.525000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 667
[4295337.859000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295337.859000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295337.859000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295337.859000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295337.859000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295337.859000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 669
[4295337.859000] printk: 3 messages suppressed.
[4295337.859000] Buffer I/O error on device dm-7, logical block 303
[4295339.192000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295339.192000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295339.192000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295339.192000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295339.192000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295339.192000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 671
[4295340.526000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295340.526000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295340.526000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295340.526000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295340.526000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295340.526000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 673
[4295341.859000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295341.859000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295341.859000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295341.859000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295341.859000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295341.859000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 675
[4295343.201000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295343.201000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295343.201000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295343.201000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295343.201000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295343.201000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 677
[4295343.201000] printk: 3 messages suppressed.
[4295343.201000] Buffer I/O error on device dm-7, logical block 307
[4295344.535000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295344.535000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295344.535000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295344.535000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295344.535000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295344.535000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 679
[4295345.868000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295345.868000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295345.868000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295345.868000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295345.868000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295345.868000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 681
[4295347.210000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295347.210000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295347.210000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295347.210000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295347.210000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295347.210000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 683
[4295348.544000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295348.544000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295348.544000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295348.544000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295348.544000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295348.544000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 685
[4295348.544000] printk: 3 messages suppressed.
[4295348.544000] Buffer I/O error on device dm-7, logical block 311
[4295349.869000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295349.869000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295349.869000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295349.869000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295349.869000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295349.869000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 687
[4295351.194000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295351.194000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295351.194000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295351.194000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295351.194000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295351.194000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 689
[4295352.527000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295352.527000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295352.528000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295352.528000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295352.528000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295352.528000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 691
[4295352.528000] printk: 2 messages suppressed.
[4295352.528000] Buffer I/O error on device dm-7, logical block 314
[4295353.853000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295353.853000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295353.853000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295353.853000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295353.853000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295353.853000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 693
[4295355.219000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295355.219000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295355.220000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295355.220000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295355.220000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295355.220000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 695
[4295356.586000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295356.586000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295356.586000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295356.586000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295356.586000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295356.586000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 697
[4295358.320000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295358.320000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295358.320000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295358.320000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295358.320000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295358.320000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 699
[4295358.320000] printk: 3 messages suppressed.
[4295358.320000] Buffer I/O error on device dm-7, logical block 318
[4295359.654000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295359.654000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295359.654000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295359.654000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295359.654000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295359.654000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 701
[4295360.987000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295360.987000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295360.987000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295360.987000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295360.987000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295360.987000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 703
[4295362.354000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295362.354000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295362.354000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295362.354000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295362.354000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295362.354000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 705
[4295363.687000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295363.687000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295363.688000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295363.688000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295363.688000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295363.688000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 707
[4295363.688000] printk: 3 messages suppressed.
[4295363.688000] Buffer I/O error on device dm-7, logical block 322
[4295365.029000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295365.029000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295365.029000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295365.029000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295365.029000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295365.029000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 709
[4295366.371000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295366.371000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295366.371000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295366.371000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295366.371000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295366.371000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 711
[4295396.371000] ata2: command 0x25 timeout, stat 0x59 host_stat 0x1
[4295396.371000] ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0x25/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0x4/00/00
[4295396.371000] ata2: status=0x25 { DeviceFault CorrectedError Error }
[4295396.371000] SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
[4295396.371000] sdb: Current: sense key: Hardware Error
[4295396.371000]     Additional sense: No additional sense information
[4295396.371000] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 713
[4295396.371000] printk: 2 messages suppressed.
[4295396.371000] Buffer I/O error on device dm-7, logical block 325
[4295396.371000] ATA: abnormal status 0x59 on port 0xF88BC0C7
[4295396.371000] ATA: abnormal status 0x59 on port 0xF88BC0C7
[4295396.371000] ATA: abnormal status 0x59 on port 0xF88BC0C7
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

Offline WMCoolmon

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Quote
Originally posted by Mr. Fury
Ubuntu, an alternative to Windows? Not bloody likely unless you're at least a Windows geek even if you have next to no knowledge about linux.

Gah.


Damn, looks like I was one of the luckier folks....I really don't understand how _anyone_ who uses Ubuntu can stand things constantly not working...
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Offline Kamikaze

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Sandwich: I've been reading the Ubuntu forums and it appears the Ubuntu LiveCD is rather flaky. There's at least one other person with your problem, but I can't find any solutions to it. Did Knoppix work for the same thing?
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Offline Sandwich

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I haven't tried Knoppix since my system overhaul/upgrade (new MB, etc). I plan to, tho.
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"...The quintessential quality of our age is that of dreams coming true. Just think of it. For centuries we have dreamt of flying; recently we made that come true: we have always hankered for speed; now we have speeds greater than we can stand: we wanted to speak to far parts of the Earth; we can: we wanted to explore the sea bottom; we have: and so  on, and so on: and, too, we wanted the power to smash our enemies utterly; we have it. If we had truly wanted peace, we should have had that as well. But true peace has never been one of the genuine dreams - we have got little further than preaching against war in order to appease our consciences. The truly wishful dreams, the many-minded dreams are now irresistible - they become facts." - 'The Outward Urge' by John Wyndham

"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

Offline Martinus

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Quote
Originally posted by WMCoolmon


Damn, looks like I was one of the luckier folks....I really don't understand how _anyone_ who uses Ubuntu can stand things constantly not working...

[color=66ff00]Ubuntu's one of the newer distro's, it looks like it hasn't had time to find its feet. It has a big following though so it must have something going for it besides ease of use.

I always recommend checking supported hardware lists and trying out  the newest version of Knoppix to most people looking to dabble in Linux. Knoppix pretty much runs on anything so if it runs on your hardware it's likely that most other distro's can be tailored to run on it too. :nod:
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Offline Fury

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To tell the truth, I am very much tempted to install Windows back when I am back from work. But we'll see. :sigh:

 
I personally like Ubuntu and I've tried a few of the distro's, Redhat was a nightmare for me, Crunchbang is nice but not my taste, Mandriva I wouldn't dare touch again. Fedora... for me it's ok if I want to run it on a machine that I could throw at a wall when I get mad. Kubuntu whilst aesthetically pleasing is so damn slow it's unbelievable, I probably need a graphics card to support the graphics card supporting KDE.

At the end of the day, Ubuntu with the Gnome setup was the most user friendly for me to use, it's not overly complicated, I can code if I have to and it runs on deb files which believe it or not, despite alternative distro's using alternative file extensions, I find relatively simple to use (Maybe Debian would be the next thing I might switch too if I have to)

At the end of the day, it comes down to this IMO: Windows is a commercial OS, it targets a market whereby companies can make proprietary software, sell it and upgrade it. It supports consumerism. Linux doesn't. It can't, take Nero Linux for example, it's half the price of its Windows counterpart and is only the "lite" version of Nero. No matter how many versions Nero releases it's in direct competition with the likes of K3B, Brasero and others which are free applications that do the same thing, K3B even excels Nero Linux.

In the end, you are left with 3 choices in this world. If you want to pay lots of money and have a company do all the work, buy Mac, if you want to buy a computer and then learn to fight viruses for the rest of your life, buy Windows, or the last choice is Linux.

I've found people who slam Linux don't use it.

 

Offline General Battuta

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I, uh. You look like an intelligent person and I would love it if you stuck around, Vetinari, since you can put together an intelligent and readable post.

However, necroing a thread that's been dead for four years is silly.  :p

  

Offline NGTM-1R

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He is of course also wrong about fighting virii if you have a half a brain, but hey... :P
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Offline Rhymes

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Well that depends on the user, and what exactly they put on their machine.  Let this also be a lesson to all future newcomers to please read the post dates before posting in a thread, otherwise you perform a massive necro.


By, the way, Vetinari, come closer for a sec, I have something to tell you...

:welcomeblue:
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Bah, I was actually using google for something else that was Freespace 2 and linux related and this post came up and I always have the urge to just post in these discussion :P