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And still after all this time, after eliminating France, winning the host nation, equaling el torros, and losing to a departing squad, still noone gives Greek squad the respect they deserve. Still, they consider them "the mice that roared".

Well, Even if it is curtains today, tommorow everyone will be speaking about Greece. What we did against France to me epitomizes David Vs Goliath and is stuff of myth. I know where I was and what I did that day so that  I may pass it on to my kids (should I be fortunate enough to have them).

From that point on, the future will be revealed in time.

as I said before like Neo, I AM BEGINNING TO BELIEVE. If we can beat the Czechs, there is no stopping us from getting the cup.
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Optmistic. Neither I underestimate nor I scorn the Greeks, they deserve commendation for even reaching the semi-finals.
The Czech Republic - Greece will be an interesting 'battle'. That match will be even better than the Portugal - Netherlands.
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Heh, my summarization of the other teams:

Portugal: A team full of arrogant bastards. Just look at Figo. The prime example. He's offended like hell because his trainer substituted him while he was playing an awefull game. After he was substitued everything went smoother.

Greeks: Well, what can I say. Small team, great accomplishment. However, will probably not succeed against the Czechs.

Czechs: Pretty awesome team. Haven't lost a single game. But they play a wussy style. Hang back with the entire team on your own half and counter when possible. I hate those pussy tactics. Also, their star Nedved is a whiny *****.

I do hope however, that Holland and the Czechs reach the final so that we can shut them up once and for all :p


hm... I reckon;

Dutch - Probably the best attacking squad, weak defense (converted wide midefielder as a center back, arguablky a bit slow, Davids can be flaky from match to match).  Probably the best striker and winger (Van Nistelrooy and Robbens) in the tournament, but an iffy manager (he bough Bert Konterman for £4m fer ****s sake).  Winners if they can find fluency and get Van Der Meyde to actually play as well as Robbens.

Portugal - Good central defense in Andrade and Carvalho (probably the best in the tournament), great flair in midfield but no outsanding goal scorers, and no good naturally left (footed) winger.  Can beat the Dutch (and win the tournament), provided they can get a reliable goal-scoring threat to go with the defense.  Need to get Cristiano Ronaldo to cross the ball to his own team once in a while, though.

Czech - Good technique, very patient in terms of buildup.  Maybe lack pace - that would be my worry -  except for Baros up front.  Yeah, they play counter-attack - but it works, and well.  The fact they came back from behind to win every game shows their attacking strength.  Probably the most cohesive midfield in the tournament.  The Portugese and Dutch have better individuals (with the exception of Nedved), but neither have struck me as being as cohesive a unit.

Greece - worst individuals out of the 4, but the best tactics and teamwork.  Also just about the only team in the tournament able to hold onto a lead.... albeit they were pretty much outplayed by the Spanish (who threw that match away when Raul missed a sitter), so I'm not sure about they're ability when they're being outplayed, as is likely.

Holland are probably my favourites - simply because the Portugese have problems scoring.  I reckon they'll meet the Czechs again in the final (dangerous as it is to write off the Greeks), and should have learned enough from the group stages to actually take and hold a lead.

 

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hm... I reckon;

Dutch - Probably the best attacking squad, weak defense (converted wide midefielder as a center back, arguablky a bit slow, Davids can be flaky from match to match).  Probably the best striker and winger (Van Nistelrooy and Robbens) in the tournament, but an iffy manager (he bough Bert Konterman for £4m fer ****s sake).  Winners if they can find fluency and get Van Der Meyde to actually play as well as Robbens.


As for the Defense: You're totally forgetting Stam and Reiziger. Stam is usually able to take on and stop the best attackers (as proven against Larsson and Ibrahimovich) on his own. He makes up for the converted midfielder. Reiziger is very good at defending the flanks. I admit that defense does have some small cracks in it, but it's certainly not as bad as you make it out to be.

Van Der Meyde needs to be substituted by Overmars. Overmars is arguably the fastest winger in the tournament. He's proven to be able to get past the best defenders and not only on speed but on skill as well.

Robben - v. Nistelrooy - Overmars is my favourite Dutch offense. Its got speed and skill on the flanks and a goal getter as striker.

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Portugal - Good central defense in Andrade and Carvalho (probably the best in the tournament), great flair in midfield but no outsanding goal scorers, and no good naturally left (footed) winger.  Can beat the Dutch (and win the tournament), provided they can get a reliable goal-scoring threat to go with the defense.  Need to get Cristiano Ronaldo to cross the ball to his own team once in a while, though.

Yeah, Portugal is a decent team. At the very least. But as you said, miss a good goal getter. Also, i find Christiano Ronaldo a bit... overrated. His fancy tricks (that rarely work) and his abismal crosses really don't impress me.

Figo isn't at the top of his game either ATM.
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Czech - Good technique, very patient in terms of buildup.  Maybe lack pace - that would be my worry -  except for Baros up front.  Yeah, they play counter-attack - but it works, and well.  The fact they came back from behind to win every game shows their attacking strength.  Probably the most cohesive midfield in the tournament.  The Portugese and Dutch have better individuals (with the exception of Nedved), but neither have struck me as being as cohesive a unit.

I agree with this. Besides the cohesive unit part. That's where the Dutch have grown. In the first round they were shaky at best. But against the Czechs, Latvia and Sweden they've provenm to have grown. If they continue this trend I predict great trouble for Portugal and whomever may be in the Final against them.

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Greece - worst individuals out of the 4, but the best tactics and teamwork.  Also just about the only team in the tournament able to hold onto a lead.... albeit they were pretty much outplayed by the Spanish (who threw that match away when Raul missed a sitter), so I'm not sure about they're ability when they're being outplayed, as is likely.

Yeah, THE underdog of the tournament. The South-Korea of the EC. Also a foreign coach, little individual qualities but a helluva tight team and good tactics.

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Holland are probably my favourites - simply because the Portugese have problems scoring.  I reckon they'll meet the Czechs again in the final (dangerous as it is to write off the Greeks), and should have learned enough from the group stages to actually take and hold a lead.

Then we are in agreement on this :D
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I like Overmars as a player- he was a revalation at Arsenal in particular - but every time I've seen him play for Barca he's been almost completely ineffective.  

Likewise Reizeger - he's never impressed me in terms of either defensive ability or his attacking (I watch a lot of La Liga  football), and I can understand why Barca brought in Beletti and preferred Gabri as a replacement.  He has looked more impressive for the Dutch than he did last season - for one thing he actually looks like getting a shot on target - but I can still see why Heitinga and even Ricksen have played there.

Stam...is a good player, one of the best centerbacks in the world, but I'm not sure how much he can cope with pacy players.  I think he looked much better with (Frank) de Boer beside him, though - de Boer is still one of the best readers of a game I've seen, it's a shame he's off to Qatar next season.

I think the Dutch team is still a bit shaky... bringing in Seedorf has made a massive improvement, but they've yet to amaze me.  They still look like the team that played Scotland - capable of ineptitude and brilliance from match to match (or even half to half).

 

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(or even half to half).

*looks back on Holland - Czech Republik in the first round*

:o

You can say that again...
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Well, Overmars is probably in for tonnight, good thing too.

Who's up for live IRC commenting on the match?
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Well, Overmars is probably in for tonnight, good thing too.

Who's up for live IRC commenting on the match?


Er.... I'd rather watch it on the telly.

 
Granted, but a laptop, 12 ft of Cat-5, and a TV in front of my bed let me do both.
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Granted, but a laptop, 12 ft of Cat-5, and a TV in front of my bed let me do both.


Dare I ask why?

 

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To avoid commentators comparing every move to the England team?
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I'm not gonna spoil the game by going on IRC :p I'm gonna watch it with my friends :D
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To avoid commentators comparing every move to the England team?


If it's on eurosport, that isn't usually as big of a problem ;)  (commentary is much better than bbc / itv)

 
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Dare I ask why?


Because it might just be nicer then watching it all be meself and screaming into thin air? As far as screaming is possible with the flue, that is.
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Don't got any friends or family who watch football?
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Flu = quarantine ?

 

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Ow, didn't see that :p My bad. :)
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No, Tiara got it right the first time.....

My parents aren't football lovers, and friends, well, not those who would actually get of their lasy asses for anything..

As for quarantaine, **** that, I've got exams. I've probably infected at least one teacher by now, but rather that then doing over a weeks worth of exams in 2 days.
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