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Offline BlackDove

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Yeah I understand. I've just seen it as a line that people will cross if you allow it to a certain point.

However you've had that/this rule on Gamespy's HLP and it didn't look like there were any problems, so I guess your way works anyway.

 

Offline Bobboau

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how about if it becomes a problem it will be dealt with?
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Offline Stealth

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i got banned once for telling someone what site to find a 'warez' file on

 

Offline Fineus

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There you go then... don't do that :)

 

Offline Stealth

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Actually i was trying to imply that it's WORTH getting in trouble for!
seriously guys... go to www.3L1t3w4r3z.com for free warez!  be like me!


I'm j/k.  yeah i don't advertise warez anymore.  i learned my lesson ;)  but that was like 2 years ago at least.

 

Offline Kosh

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[I disagree, it shouldn't be allowed in that form either. If you deliberately ask for warez, it makes no difference whether someone replies to a thread or via PM, as long as you ask for it publicly, it's a ban. [/b]

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It wasn't even that strict on Gamespy...



I agree. That is too harsh.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline Martinus

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I don't have a problem with warez, I do have a problem with anything that might endanger the site though.

Warez linking would most likely do this, all it takes is some disgruntled person (DS) to point out to the authorities that HLP facilitates the sharing of software and we'd be shut down faster than you can say suprnova.

 
I'm fairly certain that linking to Warez sites isn't anything that could actually endanger HLP. Linking to the sites isn't a crime, IIRC.

In any case, I agree, Fury's statement strikes me as far too harsh.
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Offline Martinus

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It's not set in stone yet, we'll wait and see what the general admin consensus is. I'm in favour of keeping it the way it was on the GS server.

As for linking not being illegal, consider torrent sites. They don't have any warez on their sites but are still taken as illegal as they help the proliferation of warez. There are no hard and fast rules but I think we all prefer to side on caution.

Anyhow as an0n has said Penguinbomb doesn't have any issues with it so there shouldn't be a problem.

  

As for linking not being illegal, consider torrent sites. They don't have any warez on their sites but are still taken as illegal as they help the proliferation of warez. There are no hard and fast rules but I think we all prefer to side on caution.

Anyhow as an0n has said Penguinbomb doesn't have any issues with it so there shouldn't be a problem.

Actually, Torrent sites IIRC link to the Torrent Downloads themselves, hence why they're considered illegal. There's no law against linking to the site itself, as long as you don't link directly to the Torrents. At least, that's how I understand it.
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Offline Martinus

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A torrent file amoungst other things contains a list of sources for a file or set of files, thus hosting a torrent file is effectively hosting the links to warez.

Irrespective, the decision will not be based upon an open ended argument, as has been stated before we keep this site and its forums Freespace related primarily, anything else that goes on here is strictly secondary.

 

Offline Kosh

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I like Kalfireth's idea the best. Not like that matters much. :p
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline Flaser

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Actually you better realise something:

The reason why warez, p2p networks, torrents are so prosecuted....

....ISN'T PROTECTION OF THE AUTHORS AND ARTISTS....

...but the PROTECTION OF PROFIT.

Here's something written by Orson Scott Card on mp3 that can be applied to this situation as well:

Mp3's Are Not the Devil!

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.....

 Until 1978, copyright only lasted 52 years in the U.S. -- and then only if you remembered to renew it. There were other technical lapses that could result in the inadvertent loss of copyright -- it wasn't really user-friendly.

.....

 Since 1978, the law was changed so that copyright lasted until a certain number of years after the author's death. So not only did the author never outlive the copyright, but the author's dependents could continue to derive income from it for some time.

Also, copyright began, not when the work was listed with the Library of Congress, but rather from the moment of creation.

 But there were loopholes. If you wrote something as an employee of a company that paid you a salary for creating it, then your writing was a "work made for hire" and the copyright belonged to the company. You had no rights.

 Here's where the ugly stuff begins. A lot of publishers began routinely requiring writers to sign contracts that declared that what they wrote was a "work for hire," so that the authors wouldn't own any part of their own work. Of course the companies didn't actually hire the writers and give them benefits, like real employees. It was basically highway robbery -- the companies demanded that either the writers sign their names to a lie and give up all their rights, or the company wouldn't publish it.

Only a few of us were stubborn enough to refuse to sign work for hire contracts. It was an expensive moral quibble, but I have real objections to perjuring myself and pretending that I was hired by a company when in fact I never was. If I took all the risks and wrote something on spec, then the copyright should belong to me. I'd license them to do whatever was needed, but I wouldn't, in effect, declare them to be the author of my work.

......

 Strip away all the pretension, and what you really have is this: Rapacious companies that have become bloated on windfall profits and ruthless exploitation of other people's talents are now terrified that the gravy train will go away.

Because in the brave new world of online distribution of cheap CDs, do you know who the only losers would be? Big-salary executives and owners of big record companies.

.......


He's clever fellow (darn clever and profoundly moral if you read some of his books) with an admirable set of standards and a backbone to stand up for them.

Even though he's not my cop of tea - since I'm a socialist (lefty) while he's a definite conservative, (the side that lefties usually bash for 'supporting' the opression of the masses and so on... yadda yadda liberal blind dogma, you know the rest....) - I can't help but nod in agreement with most of his ideas and remember that there's more to the Christian morality than the doublespeaking lies of the spoilt rich.

When a guy like him stands up for an issue, I can know for certain that it's not just my liberal/materialistic upbringing rising up against some seemingly outdated/pointless tradition but genuine rage against evil deeds of people who want to live off my blood and sweat without lifting a finger in their lifetime for the rest of us.
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Offline Inquisitor

What you can and cannot do is largely dependent on where this site is hosted. If this forum is hosted in the US, your ISP will shut you down if your site is trading warez. The people responsible for paying for the site and the domain owners will likely be held legally accountable. I don't know about the UK, I don't run servers there, so it never occurred to me to ask.   The HLP admins have taken a next step in responsibility by hosting this site somewhere other than GameSpy.

Regardless of what your personal OPINION on the "rightness" of warez is, it is indeed still illegal in many places. Until such time as that is not the case, if you run the website and care about it being up, you have to obey the local laws.

Ask a lawyer.
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Offline Fineus

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Indeed. We've no intention of placing this site at risk just so that a small number of people can swap file locations. However we're not the thought police and if you want to discuss the legitimacies of warez, mp3 file sharing and so on then that's your own call. The line stops at linking to warez/file sharing sites however.

So far this hasn't been much of a problem. I see no reason it become a major issue now.

 

Offline Flaser

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I didn't intend for HLP to host warez or even associate with it to any degree.
That would be idiotic and would endanger the site.

Even if trading in warez is no more serious an offense than illegal parking it's still an offense and we shouldn't encourage it.

The point of the whole post was that the prosecution of warez and internet file trading is not quite the demon it's made out to be....and the real bastards are the ones spurring the hunt on and on.
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So far this hasn't been much of a problem. I see no reason it become a major issue now.

Just make sure the rules are clear and enforced and it hopefully never will be.
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Offline Kosh

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What you can and cannot do is largely dependent on where this site is hosted. If this forum is hosted in the US, your ISP will shut you down if your site is trading warez.


Maybe you could host it in some out of the way country where the evil RIAA couldn't touch you. :p
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline Stealth

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oh please... bunch of drama queens.......

the RIAA/MPAA/whoever isn't going to shut down a site that's just TALKING about warez, or occasionally privately (via PMs) linking to a site.  they're too busy shutting down legit sites, who specialize in hosting or linking to warez, such as suprnova.  i personally think as long as no one publicly links to warez, it shouldn't be an issue, but via PM you can do whatever you want, ala when we were still hosted on gamespy

 

Offline karajorma

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Actually, Torrent sites IIRC link to the Torrent Downloads themselves, hence why they're considered illegal. There's no law against linking to the site itself, as long as you don't link directly to the Torrents. At least, that's how I understand it.

Wanna explain why they're also shutting down EDonkey sites too then? Considering that all they ever contain is the hash number for a file. Something you could find out simply by using the search funtion in your client anyway?

The RIAA and MPAA are going after anyone remotely connected with piracy without regard to how much sense it makes.
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