[Jabu]

 

[Kazan]

Religion offends me-

Own and delete


Rampage: take your religion and stick it up your  arse

 

Those who don't know how to put their will into things at least put a meaning into them: that is, they have faith that a will is already in them (principle of "faith").

Nietzsche, The Twilight of Idols (Richard Polt Translation) pg 7

It is our wild nature that we best recover from our un-nature, our spirituality...

Nietzsche, The Twilight of Idols (Richard Polt Translation) pg 5

[Kazan]

 

Originally posted by Setekh:
I prefer this one: God's Riches At Christ's Expense. Booyah.  

you know what's pathetic? my mother coined that term

I'm not kidding.. she really is the one that coined that term.. disgusting

[Kazan]

 

Originally posted by Stryke 9:
Grrrrr...

WARNING FOR FUTURE REFERENCE: I FLAME ALL SUSPECTED EVANGELISTS

I shoot them, they pollute our gene pool

[Kazan]

 

Originally posted by Joey_21:
Then bring it on. We'll just laugh at your persecution.

oh contrar monfrair

you are the persecutor, throughout history

We're screaming because your ignorance does us pain - we're bucking at your persecution of the intelligent peoples of this planet

[Kazan]

 

Originally posted by sandwich:

Stryke: If you don't like calm discussions about religon, then don't come to the topic.

i beleive he would agree that religion should be done away with all togeather - it's a pyschological crutch and control device for the masses and it is preventing the betterment of our species

[Kazan]

 

Originally posted by Rampage:
Your lack of faith disturbs me.

your faith in a pyschological crutch (basically a very powerful and damaging drug in it's effects) disturbs me

your brain is posioned, your logic is flawed.  

If you attempt to argue with me - it's all a point of view thing.

I am educated in christianity - i reject it with force.  I see the blinders you put on, the limitations you place upon yourself by having 'faith'.  The errors in your thinking.

It's like after you lose your virginity - you can look around and by ones behavior you can tell if they are a virgin or not.  Before hand you couldn't tell the difference.

Wisdom my friend, it's being withheld from you - by yourself

[Martinus]

OOOOOHHHHHH KAY!!! Time for me to put the proverbial boot down. I was wondering if it was possible to have a civil discussion of something like this but there are people who need to get in your face when it comes to religion.

If you can't say something constructive then don't say anything at all, people who are religious generally have deep rooted beliefs, just because you claim they are 'full of sh1t' won't do anything other than give them more resolve in their beliefs. You end up wasting their time and more importantly your own time.

Slamming someone elses way of thinking invalidates your point of view, afterall who wants to listen to someone who won't listen to them?

BTW this might count as preaching but it needs to be said ummm kay.

[Kazan]

 

Originally posted by CODEDOG ND:
Is very reliable and there has yet to be anything that has been proven wrong in there also.

or anything proven right for that matter

[Kazan]

 

Originally posted by Maeglamor:
Slamming someone elses way of thinking invalidates your point of view, afterall who wants to listen to someone who won't listen to them?

both parties do it- it's the way of things

I am not slamming their point of view - im stating my digust in it and trying to crack open the prison they have placed their minds in


Free Your Mind

[Martinus]

 

Originally posted by Kazan:
I am not slamming their point of view - im stating my digust in it and trying to crack open the prison they have placed their minds in

That's not your place even if it were true, who made you god? (pun intended)



[This message has been edited by Maeglamor (edited 09-23-2001).]

[Stryke 9]

Kazan- your allying with my beliefs gives theirs more credence than mine. Shutting your ears and eyes- no matter which way you go- is ignorance and stupidity, plain and simple. The stuff wars and genocides (as well as most other major crimes) are made of. Simply saying "I'm atheist" and thinking no more on the topic is just as bad as saying "I'm Unitarian", "I'm a Republican", or "I hate the US". They're all crutches, whether you made an informed decision about your crutch of choice is immaterial.

If God suddenly appeared and told me that he existed, or things started happening that neither science nor logic could explain (a burning bush don't cut it, but some other stuff there does), then I will start believing in God. But since facts don't seem to support his existence, and religion in many cases HAS become a crutch for the intellectually lazy (which it isn't always- I know man people who have reasoned it out for them selves and think deeply on the topic. as opposed to the average rosary-clutching granny who when asked about religion will say something fatuous about Jesus), I count myself an atheist-agnostic. I am open to all beliefs, religious or otherwise, but I make no assumptions and I'll be damned if some damned small-town Jerry Falwell or a vague book of oral legends several thousands of years old (or, in the case of New Testament, several hundred) convert me.

WExcuse the extensive comments, but I'm trying to pack a 30-page summary into a few paragraphs to get the idea across.

Everyone: If you have either a new or well-thought-through perspective on the subject of life, the universe, and everything, by all means post. But if I suspect you of preaching without thinking on my turf, all hell WILL break loose.I het' ignants!

[This message has been edited by Stryke 9 (edited 09-23-2001).]

[Kazan]

 

Originally posted by Stryke 9:
Simply saying "I'm atheist" and thinking no more on the topic is just as bad as saying "I'm Unitarian", "I'm a Republican", or "I hate the US".

I have thought much on the subject, turned it around in my mind. looked at every edge, every face, every vertex and the more I look about it the more I think about it the more repulsed I become.

[Kazan]

 

Originally posted by Stryke 9:
or things started happening that neither science nor logic could explain

human nature - attribute the unexplainable to a 'god' or something.

Now what if 2000 years later science could explain it, would you want your descendants to stick onto a false beleive or see that it was a mistake?

[Kazan]

 

Originally posted by Stryke 9:
intellectually lazy (which it isn't always- I know man people who have reasoned it out for them selves and think deeply on the topic. as opposed to the average rosary-clutching granny who when asked about religion will say something fatuous about Jesus)

I wasn't saying anything about intellectual lazyness

I was talking about the logically impaired.  I think like nietzsche (and now that i read him i find how much i think like him).  He puts the things out a bit more eloquently than I.

[Stryke 9]

Logic. Logic is whatever you think is logical- you can ask 30 different people about what sort of things logically could happen, and if you didn't interview them all in the same place, you'd get 30 different answers. A spontaneously combusting bush could exist just as logically if there's a god as a magnet can lift a paperclip whether there ids or isn't. Think about it.

[jonskowitz]

People who I have just lost a great deal of respect for:

KAZAN

STRYKE_9

Anyone else want to make the list?

Out of almost 400 subscribed members to these forums, you two are the only ones who are seeing this as an opportunity to start a flame war.  If you do not feel you are adult enough to discuss this kind of topic in a civilized manner then for the good of all of us here please don't read or post to this kind of discussion.

To the moderators of this forum, I apologize for stealing a little bit of your thunder, but I feel I speak for more than just myself.

[Stryke 9]

Who's flaming? I just stated that I'm through with hearing people spout truisms about God0 either way they go. By all means, start this "Civilized Discussion". I'm willing to lay odds that it could not take off here, but I've seen stranger things- ones on the VBB even. I'd love to see what people have to say on the matter, but if it resorts to this... trash, then I might as well throw my sh1t to smother the flaming sh1t in sh1t, no?

[Stryke 9]

Plus, to my eternal credit( ), I haven't insulted anybody- yet.

[Kazan]

 

Originally posted by jonskowitz:
you two are the only ones who are seeing this as an opportunity to start a flame war.  

im not flaming.. you haven't seen me flaming

add yourself to that list because you're flaming us by your def  


[This message has been edited by Kazan (edited 09-23-2001).]