[Shrike]

Except that cold fusion has yet to be proved to any reputable source, and repeated attempts to recreate the conditions that supposedly gave rise to it have failed.

As for hot fusion, the best bet is probably deuterium-helium3 fusion, which is fairly efficient and emits only charged particles.

Oh, and a slight correction.  Fusion is not a chemical process.  It is atomic.

[Jabu]

Yeah. IIRC, fusion, if you want a He3 atom, needs a deuterium and a hydrogen atom. If you join two deuterium atoms, it makes He4.

Cold fusion I don't really know anything about.

Deuterium = hydrogen with 1 neutron (H2)

[Starwing]

You will always need deuterium for fusion reactions because helium atoms have neutrons and hydrogen atoms don't.

And Shrike is right, for some strange reason cold fusion only worked when no one was there to see it, but didn't when anyone else tried to do what they did.

[The Claw]

Quite right, shrike, fusion isn't a chemical reaction, cause it's a atomic one (nuclear reaction... fission and fusion  )
Like I said, before you actually say stuff about Cold Fusion, please do a bit of research...
 Like I said, the majority of the scientific community denies cold fusion exists, because it doesn't comply with the current laws of physics (and don't mistake current with "correct"- the laws of physics have been rewritten many times before, and they will continue to be rewritten).
 This means you get an overwhelming number of people saying it's impossible compared to a few who say it is... The thing is I am not 100% sure it is true, as it is impossible to find an unbiased site on the net. I did, however, find this:  http://www.mv.com/ipusers/zeropoint/IEHTML/FEATURE/cover/32/fset.html
  Read it, and you may be suprised.

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[Griffon UK]

i read somewhere that Cold Fusion is totally possible, but that there currently is no power source that generates enough juice to start the reaction...

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[The Claw]

No, only needs a very small charge. I was just readin a bit more about it, and apparently one reaction managed, with just a fraction of a watt running through the system, to produce 400-500 watts power output.
 I was just womdering how they'd harness this energy tho... I know cold fusion gives off it's energy as heat, so I suppose It could well just be the classical nuclear power generator without the fission reactor.
 Apparently Hot Fusion gives of it's energy in the form of ionising radiation waves... how the hell are you meant to turn that to electricity?

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[Shrike]

 

Originally posted by Starwing:
You will always need deuterium for fusion reactions because helium atoms have neutrons and hydrogen atoms don't.

And Shrike is right, for some strange reason cold fusion only worked when no one was there to see it, but didn't when anyone else tried to do what they did.

Nein.  Deuterium is used in modern experiments because the energy threshold to get a deuterium-based reaction going is significantly lower than the proton-proton chain that powers main sequence stars.  (4H1 -> 1He4 + E)  Dammit I need subscripts.

You can pretty much any two+ atoms to fuse, given the right combinations of heat and presure.

[The Claw]

Yup, and I think I'm right... u only need deuterium for Hot fusion reactions

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[Shrike]

 

Originally posted by The Claw:
Yup, and I think I'm right... u only need deuterium for Hot fusion reactions

See my post above.  You can fuse anything you damn well please, it's the ease as which D2 fusion occurs relative to the more efficient P-P reaction.  Also, there are other factors that make pure Deuterium fusion less than totally ideal, such as neutron emissions.

[The Claw]

I know man, I meant you don't need it for Cold Fusion   (and if you don't believe me, check out the link above and go to the Cold Fusion FAQ  )

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[Styxx]

Nah, cold fusion is obsolete...

The real stuff is on zecton accumulators. These things can practically generate any kind of energy radiation out of nothing, and incredible rates. Too bad it's just a concept I've created for an old game idea of mine, PFDS Prometheus.

[Shrike]

Zero-Point energy, anyone?  

[Shrike]

 

DOE laboratories should be compelled to work under the direction of those who have
achieved significant positive results, such that there can be no doubt in anyone's mind about these phenomena.

This is NOT science.  Ideally, there should be groups who have previously achieved it and those who haven't, but forcing such artificial rules upon ALL scientific research is conterproductive.  Science cannot prove something, it can can only disprove something.  Forcing all experiments to be done by those who have a vested interest in having it suceed is grossly unfair to the scientific community as a whole.

[Carl]

 

Originally posted by Shrike:
Zero-Point energy, anyone?    

nope.

[The Claw]

 

. Forcing all experiments to be done by those who have a vested interest in having it suceed is grossly unfair to the scientific community as a whole.

I agree, and it was only because of "selected" experiments with deliberate mistakes that caused the existance of cold fusion to be denied.

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[Sushi]

Last I checked, cold fusion was impossible- the only experiment I know about was proved to be wrong immediately. The only reason it got as far as it did was because the people who made the "discovery" (through lab error) reported it to the mainstream press WITHOUT submitting it for review by other scientists.

Nobody else has been able to duplicate their results, so it stands to reason that unless there is some major conspiracy, cold fusion doesn't exist.

And what is really more likely- that cold fusion, unlikely to begin with, is being denied solely out of scientific spite or that it never happened to begin with?



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[The Claw]

Read above, in one of the links. Many places have SUCCESSFULLY created a Cold Fusion experiment, including Los Alamos.
 I just wish people would open their eyes and ears, and take in all the facts... hell, just read the whole page, before they post like that.
 If I am wrong, I am wrong. But that many places, reputable places, where the experiment has been successfully carried out, there must be something in the argument.

[Martinus]

Can't remember what new stuff has been done in the field of zero point energy. I saw an excellent documentary on it but as always the sceptisisim drowned out any possible hype that may have allowed a more indepth analysis. Two macines where shown that supposedly tapped zero point energy but "experts" claimed the results were either nonconclusive or totally wrong (they didn't bother to make their own measurements).

I get the basic theory though and it looks interesting to say the least. By the way, if there are any sites on this put up a link.

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[Nico]

The whole site is interesting, and deals with zero point energy somewhere, but you'll have to search :
 http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/PAO/warp.htm



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[Shrike]

 

Originally posted by The Claw:
If I am wrong, I am wrong. But that many places, reputable places, where the experiment has been successfully carried out, there must be something in the argument.

Yes, but there also many places, doing the exact same experiments that haven't got positive results.