[Janos]

WW3 anyone?

Between whom? Because of what? For what gain? How?

[Martinus]

Just for reference Bob, I posted a thread called 'Yes! Go France' or something similar, it has of course disappeared but it covered all of this.

Personally I find a bunch of terrorists terrorising an entire nation and its supporters due to being called terrorists disgustingly ironic. I can only see this getting worse, everyone who's not a victim of religious elitism needs to stand together and show these deranged children that we won't stand for their petulance.

[Turnsky]

Just for reference Bob, I posted a thread called 'Yes! Go France' or something similar, it has of course disappeared but it covered all of this.

Personally I find a bunch of terrorists terrorising an entire nation and its supporters due to being called terrorists disgustingly ironic. I can only see this getting worse, everyone who's not a victim of religious elitism needs to stand together and show these deranged children that we won't stand for their petulance.

it's only a matter of time, unfortunately, until the stakes are risen even higher, and the tools, even more devastating.

[TrashMan]

Things is - tehy are whackos - they won't back down. So it's up to us to do so...
And so the nations in question will apologize for things they have no influence over and kiss the asses of those religious nuts, becouse it's the only way to end this...well, not the only way, but the fastest and least painfull one anway...

[Turnsky]

yeah well, the pen can be mightier than the sword, just look, it only took one to get a whole lot of people to jump up and down crying foul..

i wouldn't be ordinarily annoyed, but it's just that their noisy attitude towards anybody that's not them irks me to no end, it's typical bigotry, and we're on the recieving end this time around.
mind you, this sorta thing's been around for centuries when it comes with the confrontations between religions, "my god is better than your god" , etc.

[Martinus]

Things is - tehy are whackos - they won't back down. So it's up to us to do so...
And so the nations in question will apologize for things they have no influence over and kiss the asses of those religious nuts, becouse it's the only way to end this...well, not the only way, but the fastest and least painfull one anway...

I don't think you get what's happening. If those who advocate freedom of speech back down then we've effctively said that they are right. We'll also be handing them a 'get out of jail free' card.

You may wonder what happens if you negotiate with terrorists; back down and find out.

[Turnsky]

Things is - tehy are whackos - they won't back down. So it's up to us to do so...
And so the nations in question will apologize for things they have no influence over and kiss the asses of those religious nuts, becouse it's the only way to end this...well, not the only way, but the fastest and least painfull one anway...

I don't think you get what's happening. If those who advocate freedom of speech back down then we've effctively said that they are right. We'll also be handing them a 'get out of jail free' card.

You may wonder what happens if you negotiate with terrorists; back down and find out.

indeed, freedom of speech also inclines that while you may be free to speak, you're also free to ignore what's being said, that said, all the riled up muslims shoulda just ignored the cartoon, it was -only- a cartoon after all, and was satire.
obviously they have no sense of humor, how ironic that their actions are proving all that's being said about them.

[Bobboau]

Things is - tehy are whackos - they won't back down. So it's up to us to do so...
And so the nations in question will apologize for things they have no influence over and kiss the asses of those religious nuts, becouse it's the only way to end this...well, not the only way, but the fastest and least painfull one anway...

like hell.

[Nix]

Exactly, why in the hell would WE apologize? Why should a secular country apologize?  No, what they're doing is what should be apologized for.  Hell, just stop, no apology necessary.  If they want to look at it like tit for tat, then fine.  But stop the stupidity already. 

[IPAndrews]

Islam isn't a violent religion. In fact, Muslims actually tolerate Christians and Jews

Well that's terribly kind of them  .

[Shade]

Backing down on a government level just isn't going to happen. They've got their apology from the newspaper, and that's all they're gonna get. And if they think burning embassies makes it more likely for us to back down, well, think again. The truth is, there's nothing they can do that will truely put us under pressure.

1) We're a net exporter of oil and natural gas. Nothing to come for there, if they thought they might be able to squeeze us.
2) Most of our major trade partners are in the western world. They're not going to boycott us, even though some have demonstrated less support for a loyal ally during this than one might have hoped.
3) Terrorism? Our total land border is less than 100km, and that's with Germany. It's not as easy to sneak in as they might think. and unlike many countries, aquiring weapons once in-country instead of smuggling them in is not a simple task here. Besides, terrorism will just make it even less likely for us to back down, just as the burning of embassies has done.

Basically, the ball is in their court. Back here, everything is going just fine, and to most of the muslims who live here the matter is considered settled.

[Krackers87]

WW3 anyone?

Between whom? Because of what? For what gain? How?

If you look at one of the links in the first post you'll see that 2 sides are already developing over this issue, also violence as it is, becoming more supported by select governments, whom some of which are armed with nuclear weapons whom im pretty sure have been itching for a target, it doesent seem so far off.

Also this gives the chance for every europe-america hating nation to side with the muslim countries already promoting violence, for the main goal of getting their kicks in when/if this explodes into something even larger.

Going by the recent trends in muslim nations, the chance of this errupting into full out war is 99.8%

I mean comon theyve been fighting wars for years over **** they havent been even half as pissed about, and ontop of that, theyre unifying fast.


I'd put of money on it.

[Janos]

WW3 anyone?

Between whom? Because of what? For what gain? How?

If you look at one of the links in the first post you'll see that 2 sides are already developing over this issue, also violence as it is, becoming more supported by select governments, whom some of which are armed with nuclear weapons whom im pretty sure have been itching for a target, it doesent seem so far off.

Also this gives the chance for every europe-america hating nation to side with the muslim countries already promoting violence, for the main goal of getting their kicks in when/if this explodes into something even larger.

Going by the recent trends in muslim nations, the chance of this errupting into full out war is 99.8%

I mean comon theyve been fighting wars for years over **** they havent been even half as pissed about, and ontop of that, theyre unifying fast.


I'd put of money on it.

Islamist world unifying? What the... Ideological wars are often supported on citizen level and abhorred on higher levels - the ones who make cold, uncaring calculations about gains and losses, economy, HOW CAN THEY DO IT?

But OK, give me a time when this erupts in a full-out war between some parties (Syria and Denmark, lol). Then we can place bets!

[Krackers87]

WW3 anyone?

Between whom? Because of what? For what gain? How?

If you look at one of the links in the first post you'll see that 2 sides are already developing over this issue, also violence as it is, becoming more supported by select governments, whom some of which are armed with nuclear weapons whom im pretty sure have been itching for a target, it doesent seem so far off.

Also this gives the chance for every europe-america hating nation to side with the muslim countries already promoting violence, for the main goal of getting their kicks in when/if this explodes into something even larger.

Going by the recent trends in muslim nations, the chance of this errupting into full out war is 99.8%

I mean comon theyve been fighting wars for years over **** they havent been even half as pissed about, and ontop of that, theyre unifying fast.


I'd put of money on it.

Islamist world unifying? What the... Ideological wars are often supported on citizen level and abhorred on higher levels - the ones who make cold, uncaring calculations about gains and losses, economy, HOW CAN THEY DO IT?

But OK, give me a time when this erupts in a full-out war between some parties (Syria and Denmark, lol). Then we can place bets!

in the second link down.

I couldnt honestly tell you when but from what ive learned from history class and my own insight into history, this has all the makings of the prelude to a war.

But timewise, im thinking by the end of the year, at least from the level of escalation over the past month, also if i understand correctly many of the spiritual leaders of the sunnis or shiites, have been calling for acts of violence. I think thats pretty damn well higher level to me.

Plus most of the middle eastern countries (jordan/lebanon/syria i think) have been warring against each other for a multitude of   seemingly minor (in comparison considering the sheer level of people in uproar) religious/political reasons. Whats to stop them from declaring war on other nations for reasons which, seem to be stronger, against those nations which theyve either hated, or most have had pretty negative feelings towards?

[Grey Wolf]

You forgot to account for the fact that many of the Islamic countries consider their neighbor's to be heretics.

[kode]

krackers: take a look at the history of europe and keep in mind that history of warring over seemingly minor issues. the issues would only be the excuse to start the war, the real reason would always be increase in power in some way or another. same thing in the middle east.

I doubt this will escalate into a war, however. it'd be impractical.

[Mefustae]

Yeah, and the UN would never allow it...











...HAAAHAHAAHAHAHHAAAAAAAHAHHAHHAAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAHHAAAA!!!

[kode]

never ****ing mind the UN. denmark's in nato.

[Janos]

in the second link down.

I couldnt honestly tell you when but from what ive learned from history class and my own insight into history, this has all the makings of the prelude to a war.

But timewise, im thinking by the end of the year, at least from the level of escalation over the past month, also if i understand correctly many of the spiritual leaders of the sunnis or shiites, have been calling for acts of violence. I think thats pretty damn well higher level to me.

Plus most of the middle eastern countries (jordan/lebanon/syria i think) have been warring against each other for a multitude of   seemingly minor (in comparison considering the sheer level of people in uproar) religious/political reasons. Whats to stop them from declaring war on other nations for reasons which, seem to be stronger, against those nations which theyve either hated, or most have had pretty negative feelings towards?

Quite a few things have a making of war. What we learn from history is basically that we cannot draw direct comparisons between a historic moment(s) and current moment, because the circumstances can differ quite dramatically. Wars were fought for stuff like this centuries ago, but not always.

There are couple of things which are pretty good at preventing something like a war - and honestly, I cannot believe a word you say if you're unable to even name some countries and some motives, it's like saying "well something bad is gunna happen! dunno what though". One of the reasons is that every single major islamic country lacks force projection. Another reason is economy, they cannot piss off western world because they would be quite ****ed - granted, oil countries have leverage but that has little use if someone starts shooting. Yet another reason is something called NATO, which both Denmark and Norway are part of. And yet another reason is that nobody really dares to piss off USA because they would lose. And so on and so on.

[Krackers87]

in the second link down.

I couldnt honestly tell you when but from what ive learned from history class and my own insight into history, this has all the makings of the prelude to a war.

But timewise, im thinking by the end of the year, at least from the level of escalation over the past month, also if i understand correctly many of the spiritual leaders of the sunnis or shiites, have been calling for acts of violence. I think thats pretty damn well higher level to me.

Plus most of the middle eastern countries (jordan/lebanon/syria i think) have been warring against each other for a multitude of   seemingly minor (in comparison considering the sheer level of people in uproar) religious/political reasons. Whats to stop them from declaring war on other nations for reasons which, seem to be stronger, against those nations which theyve either hated, or most have had pretty negative feelings towards?

Quite a few things have a making of war. What we learn from history is basically that we cannot draw direct comparisons between a historic moment(s) and current moment, because the circumstances can differ quite dramatically. Wars were fought for stuff like this centuries ago, but not always.

There are couple of things which are pretty good at preventing something like a war - and honestly, I cannot believe a word you say if you're unable to even name some countries and some motives, it's like saying "well something bad is gunna happen! dunno what though". One of the reasons is that every single major islamic country lacks force projection. Another reason is economy, they cannot piss off western world because they would be quite ****ed - granted, oil countries have leverage but that has little use if someone starts shooting. Yet another reason is something called NATO, which both Denmark and Norway are part of. And yet another reason is that nobody really dares to piss off USA because they would lose. And so on and so on.

Dont be so high and mighty about the US, also, if you kept up with nes in the past 4 years i wouldnt have to explain, but i will tommorow after work if i dont feel like it when i get home tonight.