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Offline Windrunner

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Google OS FTW. :p
i hope they really make one, beacuse google seems to be th eonly companty that can give MS som competition
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and google doesnt seem to be run by evil or stupid people, but by intelligent people, judging by the cool stuff that they keep coming up with

i would probably use an OS by them as an alternative to vista
of course, only if i could play my games on it
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Offline Cyker

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My worries with a GoogleOS is that it would probably:

+ Be in permenant beta
+ Constantly catalogue all your stuff
+ Have a totally flat filesystem ("Don't organise your stuff, SEARCH for it!" *shudder*)
+ Have AdSense

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I reformat my computer every 30 days because I refuse to activate.


Link To Article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4713018.stm

why reformat it when u can just crack it  :D

 

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Exactly. :yes:

 

Offline Kosh

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And apparently, there were corporate versions of XP Pro going around the Torrent sites, which didn't require activation, before XP Home had been released iirc.

Indeed. My version was like that. Unfortunately, M$ caught on and has since denied me access to SP2. And short of slipstreaming an installation, I don't see any way around it.

SP2 will just frak up your computer. Mine used to be able to hand things like playing Starcraft and Winamp at the same time, but not anymore thanks to Service Pack 2.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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And apparently, there were corporate versions of XP Pro going around the Torrent sites, which didn't require activation, before XP Home had been released iirc.

Indeed. My version was like that. Unfortunately, M$ caught on and has since denied me access to SP2. And short of slipstreaming an installation, I don't see any way around it.

SP2 will just frak up your computer. Mine used to be able to hand things like playing Starcraft and Winamp at the same time, but not anymore thanks to Service Pack 2.

Well, I am without now, but when I was wanting to use it on campus I wouldn't have been able to... you need SP2 to get online here.
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Offline CP5670

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It seems you also need SP2 for dual cores to work properly. That's one of the main reasons why I'm hesitant to buy one.

 

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I think it's a generalisation to say that SP2 screws up computers so badly. I installed and ran it without any problems before or since. So there are at least some systems out there that can still cope.

 

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I sometimes wonder how much of this 'You need Service Pack X to use new fangled gadget Y' is really just another way of saying 'We've got more dodgy ID's we want to check using windows update on your computer'.


 

Offline ZmaN

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I think it's a generalisation to say that SP2 screws up computers so badly. I installed and ran it without any problems before or since. So there are at least some systems out there that can still cope.

my runs fine with SP2..  Every computer that I've put it on works fine with it (about 10 or 15 of them)...


why reformat it when u can just crack it :D

Wait!  You can crack windows XP Activation?  OH PLEASE TELL ME HOW!!!!

I would def. buy google's OS, as long as they dont bloat it up with their stuff....
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my runs fine with SP2..  Every computer that I've put it on works fine with it (about 10 or 15 of them)...

MS hurt the acceptance of SP2 by releasing some VERY bad release candidates in the months leading up to the official rollout.  Those were the ones that would make applications not work (one of them broke Windows Update, IIRC) and the service pack hasn't cleared the bad impression those RCs left yet.  SP2 is, more or less, stable with just about everything you run under it or run it on.  There are a few (minor) exceptions, but overall it hurts relatively little.
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I can't see how SP2 could stop Starcraft running alongside any other app. I've had no problems at all with SP2 on any of the thirty-or-so different systems I've installed it on. Maybe it was a dodgy beta you got?
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Offline Kosh

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I think it's a generalisation to say that SP2 screws up computers so badly. I installed and ran it without any problems before or since. So there are at least some systems out there that can still cope.

I know for sure I am not the only one who has had these problems. I have heard many stories that are very similair to mine.....
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline Grey Wolf

Would it help if a single one of you actually did a bit of research at all? You're all running around like chickens with your heads cut off.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/library/c61f2a12-8ae6-4957-b031-97b4d762cf31.mspx

The feature (BitLocker Drive Encryption) is OPTIONAL. You do not need to use it to run Vista.

What I find funny is the BBC skewing the facts in this affair. They make it sound like its impossible to disable.
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I can't see how SP2 could stop Starcraft running alongside any other app. I've had no problems at all with SP2 on any of the thirty-or-so different systems I've installed it on. Maybe it was a dodgy beta you got?

It doesn't stop it, but it does cause problems. Gameplay becomes sluggish and even a little choppy sometimes.

A beta? I doubt it. I used Windows Update to get it. It came straight from M$'$ own website.

The only reason I haven't gotten rid of it is because I have heard that if I uninstall it, it will cause other problems too.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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I can't see how SP2 could stop Starcraft running alongside any other app. I've had no problems at all with SP2 on any of the thirty-or-so different systems I've installed it on. Maybe it was a dodgy beta you got?

It doesn't stop it, but it does cause problems. Gameplay becomes sluggish and even a little choppy sometimes.

A beta? I doubt it. I used Windows Update to get it. It came straight from M$'$ own website.

The only reason I haven't gotten rid of it is because I have heard that if I uninstall it, it will cause other problems too.

I'm with Descenterace on this one... never had a problem and most CPU and GPU intensive programs run just the way the should (sometimes even better than what I estimate, although that cannot be atributed to the OS :p)
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Honestly, I'm sick and tired of people whinging about SP2.  If you do it RIGHT, meaning you use your Gold or SP1 copy, Slipstream the copy and burn the result, you will be able to install Windows XP with SP2 integrated already.  Whoever's still installing thier gold version of windows, then getting into the OS to launch the SP2 installer, is asking for trouble. 
Slipstream SP2 onto your gold install, You'll be FINE.  SP2 works just FINE if you INSTALL from a CLEAN hard disk, not upgrade over something else or just do what YOU think is right.  There's a logical way to do this, and installing anything onto a clean disk will most of the time guarantee you a fully working platform to work on.

Anyways - Yes, I remember the same rumors popping up about XP when it came out.  One of the most ridiculous I've heard before it came out was "that Windows will not let you install any other hardware once you've installed the OS and you can never reinstall it."  It all boiled down to Activation, which is silly in itself.I honestly do not see what's wrong with Activation in the first place, speaking from the perspective of a network technician.  All it supposedly does is make a hash of what kind of hardware you have in your machine, and ties your product key to that hardware hash.  Sure, every time you make a major upgrade, you'll have to re-hash the system info to your product key.  Now, speaking from the personally-paranoid "I want to keep my system secure" viepoint, I can understand why some people absoluetly refuse to activate thier systems, or crack activation.  Sure, people are afraid that a whole bunch of stuff is going to be sent off to M$ violating privacy and stuff like that.    I think it's still silly, because if you install Windows on a bare drive, how in the hell is it going to know what other stuff you have on your system at install?  That, and if you're using a firewall that's smarter than ZoneAlarm, you'd be able to see what traffic leaves your system.  You'd be able to SEE what components are trying to be sneaky and talk to M$, IF they do that at all. 

I'm thinking that this new "trusted hardware" is all about the DRM stuff that's going on right now.  Just as an0n said, playing UNLICENSED content, not Pirated content.  Licensing probably meaning it's not digitally signed with a DRM signature, cept for the new form of encryption.  Notice, it's about encryption, or the encryption of files, not the playback of pirated material.

Honestly, do you honestly think that people are going to have to just toss thier old systems away just to use Vista, that M$ is going to make thier software only usable with a new hardware chip?  I honestly doubt it.  Everyone said the same exact thing when XP came out, that hardware couldnt' be changed and old systems would have to be thrown away and all.  It was NOT the case. It was simply an inconvienence for system builders and tweakers who like to keep thier case open and swap out hardware a lot.  All you'd have to do after your 3rd activation was give a phone operator a new hash code, and say "No, I have not installed this on any other machine" or something to that effect.  They give you the hash, and you put it in, and everything was activated. 

What a lot of people also say, like about the new activation, or other related things, being more complex, there's only a certain level of complexity that a lot of non-technical computer users will put up with.  Beyond that point, people will simply not use the software because it's too difficult to make it work, even with tech support.  If M$ thinks they can force a product this much more complex on the public, which I honestly dont think it will be as complex as most people are making it out to be, the public will not use the software. 
Maybe M$ just needs to learn the hard way though, that is IF they do this.

 

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SP2 works just FINE if you INSTALL from a CLEAN hard disk, not upgrade over something else or just do what YOU think is right.

That's exactly why I don't want to upgrade to SP2. It would take me forever to reinstall and configure all my programs again. What a colossal waste of time that would be. The only reason I would consider SP2 at all is because the dual core hotfix seems to require it.