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Offline Cyker

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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?
IMHO they need to sit on it until society is ready for it again.

Star Trek is about an ideological near-utopian future that's mostlye about exploring.

This worked back in the day, but unfortunately, all most people are interested in these days is fighting, guns, space battles and big explosions.

i.e. mindless eyecandy.

There is no way classic Trek could survive in such an environment. Now, they could try and make it more 'dark and gritty', which seems to be the trendy thing to do seeing as this seems to be what EVERYBODY seems to try to do, but that'd just make existing hardcore trekkies/ers boycott it. It just wouldn't fit with what Star Trek is all about and would suck.


At current times, something from the MechWarrior or Warhammer 40k universes would probably work better - Both are pretty much about heroic angsty psycho killing machines who do nothing but fight and blow **** up all the time, but with enough backstory/plot/flavour-text that they can have a veneer of credibility ;)



 

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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?
This worked back in the day, but unfortunately, all most people are interested in these days is fighting, guns, space battles and big explosions.

i.e. mindless eyecandy.

i.e. interesting conflict.

The problem with utopias is that they're so bloody boring. A lack of poverty, ignorance, hatred etc. leads to a lack of the tension that is necessary to drive many kinds of stories. You're stuck with exploration as a source for stories, which is fine - so long as you can keep coming up with fresh ideas. But eventually you run stale and because everything's so perfect back home there's no more material.

That's part of the problem. The other part is that utopian societies produce utopian people, and utopian people are also very boring. Again, you immediately prevent yourself from tapping into the rich seam of storytelling that is internal anguish and interpersonal strife, because everyone is enlightened and the very milk of human kindness. Furthermore, when your heroes perform heroic acts, it becomes meaningless because they're *always* heroic, and they *always* succeed, and you're basically just watching them go through the motions. It means much more and creates more of an impact, has a greater emotional effect, when the hero is actually sometimes a bit of a tosser and not all that good with the brain smarts and maybe is jealous of his best mate who doesn't really like him... when the hero, in spite of all this, goes on to save the day against all odds.

Would Star Wars have worked so well as a story if Luke had always been a badass Jedi in control of himself and if Han Solo had worn his heart of gold on his sleeve? I say no. But hey, whatever.

 

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Han Solo doesn't have a heart of gold. He just wanted to boink Leia because he thought she was rich.
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Han Solo doesn't have a heart of gold. He just wanted to boink Leia because he thought she was rich.
Didn't we all?

 

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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?
I say let RDM loose in the Trek universe (and I do mean, let him loose, with the kind of freedom he has with BSG) after BSG runs its course (oh lords of Kobol, may it never happen!). :p
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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?
Or let JMS do it now.
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Offline knn

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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?
Uh, no, I want realistic characters. He's a starship captain, not a playwrite. Sure, he falls in love and has issues, but in reality, none of them are permanent. They are all conveniently solved at the end of the episode, and almost never reappear again, thanks to the "Make everything happy" button at the end of every episode. I mean, he got taken over by the freaking BORG and in the next episode he's happily chugging away.

And then there's the episode when he returns to Earth and admits how bad he feels because he caused so many deaths

Or let JMS do it now.

Actually: http://www.jmsnews.com/thread.aspx?id=_UPN%20Cancels%20Enterprise!
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I was aware of that and his involvment in DS9. Which is why I suggested that they should have just turned it over to him and spit roast B & B.
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Offline Fenrir

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I agree. Plus, The Next Generation had "The Inner Light", which I think was one of the best pieces of writing for sci-fi television ever done.

That episode caught me completely off guard. I practially cried at the end of it.

 

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And then there's the episode when he returns to Earth and admits how bad he feels because he caused so many deaths


One episode where it was mentioned. Then the "make happy" button came along and it was promptly dismissed.

 

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One episode where it was mentioned. Then the "make happy" button came along and it was promptly dismissed.
Well, there is the opening few minutes of 'First Contact', which suggested that he went away from his assimilation with [at the very least] post-traumatic stress syndrome.

 

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Was 'The Inner Light' the one with the Flute thing?

  

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Yep, that was it. I believe it won a Hugo.
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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?
yea i sorta like the way picard went psycho in first contact. they shoulda done that in the series in the episodes after tbobw. really i liked the way tng sorta kept the borg in a mysterious light. iirc there were only 4 episodes that delt with the borg (6 if you count the 2 parters). ds9 sorta left the borg alone with the exception of the pilot episode. voyager butchered the borg as a spiecies. the episode of enterprise featuring the borg seemed much more appropriate as it was a continuation from the first contact plot in a way. the borg were always my favorite spicies. space commies!
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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?

And then there's the episode when he returns to Earth and admits how bad he feels because he caused so many deaths


One episode where it was mentioned. Then the "make happy" button came along and it was promptly dismissed.

Yes, you have a point. It's because TNG's episodes were standalone. Those were different times, before B5 and before BSG. Enterprise had an arc, because that's what's popular now.

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I was aware of that and his involvment in DS9. Which is why I suggested that they should have just turned it over to him and spit roast B & B.

jms offered B5 to Paramount as well and they refused. However, they received the series bible. He was never involved in DS9, DS9 borrowed some ideas from B5.
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Offline Roanoke

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Was 'The Inner Light' the one with the Flute thing?

so what happened then ?

 

Offline Flipside

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It was an awesome episode, I think it was the only one that was Directed by Patrick Stewart as well, I'd love to see him get more involved in Directing if that is the kind of stuff he's capable of producing.

It's sort of a long story, about Picard being dragged back in time to a civilisation that died out centuries ago, and living his life with them, learning their ways and their customs and, eventually, discovering that they were doomed. You really need to watch it to get the full impact though, it was probably one of the most original and moving episodes. And no-ones clothes fell off ;)

 

Offline Roanoke

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I remember that actually, now that you mention it. Had a daughter, IIRC ?

 

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Offline Nuke

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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?
ah yes that was indeed a good episode. maybe i should consider rewatching tng, as i hadnt watched it sence grade school, maybe i can get more out of it by watching it again as an adult.
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