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Offline Ulala

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One episode where it was mentioned. Then the "make happy" button came along and it was promptly dismissed.

Well, after that one episode, the amount of time to the next episode could be more than just a few days or a week. *shrugs* And yeah, someone mentioned how TNG eps were standalones, save for the 2-parters. I don't fault it for doing what the rest of TV was doing at the time. I guess I'm a lil biased too, since it has always been my favorite series (I grew up on it!  ;) ).

ah yes that was indeed a good episode. maybe i should consider rewatching tng, as i hadnt watched it sence grade school, maybe i can get more out of it by watching it again as an adult.

I would imagine so. I've rewatched a good amount and really enjoyed it.  :yes:
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the borg were like the shivans of star trek. it took voyager to screw that up. then they have to finish them off. thats sick. those people who came up with that story need to be shot.

I'm not sure wether or not the borg were totally destroyed. I don't think they were. Remember that in Armada I Picard destroys a giant volume of borg space with the omega molecule (and armada is canon afaik), yet the borg survived.

Considering the size of the borg empire I don't think janeway managed to wipe 'em out.
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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?
I'm not sure wether or not the borg were totally destroyed. I don't think they were. Remember that in Armada I Picard destroys a giant volume of borg space with the omega molecule (and armada is canon afaik), yet the borg survived.

Considering the size of the borg empire I don't think janeway managed to wipe 'em out.
Of course she didn't wipe them out. The point is that the technology the final Voyager introduced - ablative armour, transphasic torpedoes - effectively nullified the Borg as a threat, as well as dealing a good bit of damage to the Borg itself when Unimatrix One or whatever was destroyed. Not to mention the fact that Voyager depicted the Borg as absolute pussies, a f***ing 180 from the unstoppable killing machines that could brush a fleet aside with a single ship from The Best of Both Worlds.

The Borg haven't been destroyed, but the threat from the Borg have. They are now a f***ing joke.

 

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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?
The worst thing about Voyager wasn't that they kept screwing the Borg, it was that they screwed them in ways that were totally contrary to the nature of the Borg.

In TNG they'd just walk up and take the first shot - let it tear them to pieces purely so they could see how it damaged their drones/ships, then they'd adapt instantly and **** you in the ass with a hyper-spanner.

Even mass-assimilation was a cop-out. They shoulda just left them as breed-when-need aliens, churning out huge batches of cyber-babies to recrew their ships - as that kept the organic side of the Borg less like a 'poor alien slave' and more like a mobile repair unit.

And assimilation of an entire species is so inefficient that it's completely pointless. Fair enough, assimilate a few military leaders and scientist who held unique information of value, but the knowledge of an entire race would consist overwhelmingly of useless trivia and the same information repeated over and over with varying opinions.

Janeway kept coming up with fancy ways to defeat the Borg that apparently no-one from the tens of thousands of other races the Borg had assimilated had ever thought of. Even assimilation tubules were bull****. Half the scariness of the Borg was being abducted against your will and cut to pieces. According to Voyager, you got some tubes in your neck, hurt for a few seconds, then went blank and compliant.
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According to Voyager, you got some tubes in your neck, hurt for a few seconds, then went blank and compliant.
[Geek]Actually, that was established in First Contact *snort*[/Geek]

 

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Half the scariness of the Borg was being abducted against your will and cut to pieces. According to Voyager, you got some tubes in your neck, hurt for a few seconds, then went blank and compliant.

They still cut you to pieces after you've been assimilated. Except if you're an important character, like Picard, Janeway, Torres or Tuvok.
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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?
iirc they still cut picard up fairly well.

the borg didnt really start to go bad until after first contact. fc kinda showed an aspect of them previously unseen, however i dont feel that they screwed em up that much. maybe the whole drone-queen relation shoulda been left out. the borg queen was merly a plot device. you had to have a personified villan for storytelling purposes. a depersonified villan would have been hard to accept for most. i liked the older concept of space commies better. seeing as communisim fell, i guess they tried to make the borg less like that and more like something else. none the less who were voyagers writers to butcher one of my favorite spicies.
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I'm surorised Voyager got that far. It was painfully cheesy, most of the time.

 

Offline Ulala

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Kinda weird how the Borg threat is nullified, Species 8472 can't do anything against nano-probe torpedoes, the Son'a (sp?) and Baku situation is resolved (sorta), so who/what can stand against the Federation? Oh yeah, the Remans. Wait.. what?
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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?
Like I said, the only races that present even a moderate threat to the Klingon/Federation Alliance are the Romulans (who now have the Remans and Section 31 to worry about), the Breen (who hated surrender, so will probably start some ****) and maybe the Tholians.

Everyone else was either a part of the Dominion; Allied with Earth; Or too small to pose a threat to the Federation-Klingon Alliance, even in its weakened state.

I think they should just ally the Breen with the Remans and have another big war.
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Also, species 8472 now have the plans to those Nano-Torps, thanks to their encounter with the Voyager crew on a planet they had set up to train spies. Never quite figured out Janeways reasoning there....

 

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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?
They probably decided that, like the Borg, Species 8472 actually had some potential and needed to be pussified through diplomacy.

Which was completely pointless, given that the Sphere Builders were essentially 8472 with future-casting technology.
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Offline Ulala

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I dunno, it just kinda threw me because I would think the Borg would own someone like the Remans, but the Borg threat is utterly destroyed, and now the Remans are the new BAs, what with the display of the Schimitar (sp?) in ST:N but they certainly weren't utterly destroyed. *shrugs* I don't even know if I'm making any sense anymore, but I guess that means I'm about on the level of B&B then.
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I think the Remans are probably going to get stamped on pretty damn hard by the Romulans after the Scimitar incident. They only had one, and it was built in secret. I personally think the Remans are going to get sent back to planet PlotDevice where they came from. ;)

As was mentioned in a website somewhere, the Remans were sensitive to bright light, and yet the Federation seemed to be suffering from a galaxy-wide light-bulb shortage.

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Funny, but goddamn he's a Star Wars fanboy. Check his review of Episode 3 :p

But yea, I think what they need to do is make the Federation less unstoppable. It's a perfect society that nothing in the galaxy can combat.

 

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Heh, yeah, not surprising from StarDestroyer.net, but it still makes me giggle ;)

I agree, I think that's why DS9 had a certain appeal to me, it showed the Federation as something more than the Smurfs of the Future, there was a gritty side of the Federation that only reared in that series, where there were corrupt delegates and secret groups with Prime Directive breaking agendas etc. More importantly, people did things wrong, much like Bashir's brethren etc. It felt more human than the happy-smiley land created for most of the other series.

 

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Funny, but goddamn he's a Star Wars fanboy. Check his review of Episode 3 :p

But yea, I think what they need to do is make the Federation less unstoppable. It's a perfect society that nothing in the galaxy can combat.

The Federation was getting it's ass handed to it when the Dominion War started. Kind of too bad that it won in a way.
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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?
Not really.

It only won the war through completely illegal and immoral means.

They sacrificed the Bajoran sector to make a strike against Dominion shipyards, vapourised some more shipyards and all the civillian contractors aboard, supported a terrorist movement on Cardassia, attempted to commit genocide, had Worf kill Gowron (which is technically assasination), falsified evidence to trick the Romulans into the war....
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Re: Star Trek: What should it do?
They probably decided that, like the Borg, Species 8472 actually had some potential and needed to be pussified through diplomacy.

Which was completely pointless, given that the Sphere Builders were essentially 8472 with future-casting technology.

The Sphere Builders were probably one of the better Trek villain ideas in a while, but they weren't used right.

First off, they shouldn't have been from another dimension just effectively 'psychohistory' users. For that matter time travelers weren't needed either.

The Builders would have meddled with races like the Klingons, Romulans, etc. which then tied into discovering the whole "hrmm why are there these ancient cloaked sphere things that the major races are fighting over to steal tech from?" to "hrmm... why are they now becoming active and aiding these strange attacks on our shipping lanes that are intending to break apart the alliances we're forming?"

The sort of things where though they get thwarted, the dead hand of their acts leads to the Earth-Romulan War, etc.
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i guess i have to patiently wait for *insert name of cable network to buy rights to enterprise* to buy the show to figure out what all this sphere nonsence is about, and to look at the more recent atrocities that make trek suck. i remember back to an st:tmp where kirk or whoever is telling that vger chick acout all the pictures of the old enterprises and guess which one was missing from the wall. enterprise woulda been better if they were still using gatling guns as a primary means of ship defence :D
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