[Petrarch of the VBB]

And you'd cite this as evidence?!

Ahh yes, but when did fundies ever care about evidence?

[Grug]

Alcohol = evil.

thank the God I'm not ruler of hte world, for you would be exectued if caught drunk or stoned.

Family problems?
It is the person that is being bad, not the alcohol. Each to their own though.
If someone is an idiot when they drink, they shouldn't drink.

[WeatherOp]

Steel, your zeal is commendable but your focus is misplaced IMHO.  I think KJV-only-ism causes many people to stumble, not because it's wrong, but because it causes them to take their focus off God and turn it toward nitpicking and legalism.  For instance, the page you linked to is long on emotional appeal and short on scripture.

Hmmmmmm, now that word itself is very interesting. The dictionary says this.

nit·pick   Audio pronunciation of "nitpicking" ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (ntpk)
intr.v. nit·picked, nit·pick·ing, nit·picks

    To be concerned with or find fault with insignificant details.

Now if we go by what God said in the Bible about all sin being the same, shoulkdn't we all try to nitpick? No large sin and no small sin. So, by not nitpicking, you are therefore letting that sin slip right between your captain's quarters.


But, back on subject, I say drink you butt off, it's your life, so you can deal with health problems, law problems, yatta yatta yatta. Just keep it to yourself, and not drag others into it by the way of car crashes, robbery, ect.

[Nuclear1]

Ahh yes, but when did fundies ever care about evidence?

Or taking into account that the "blood of Jesus" that they drink is 75% of the time mild alcohol...

I dunno, Steel, I could probably point you toward a few books that take the opposite position.  I guess all I can do is plead Romans 14:1-4 and say that God has done incredible things for me despite the fact that I primarily read and study from the NIV.

I have to agree with Goober. I primarily read NIV for when I just want to read the Bible, but KJV mostly for when I want to stick a quote from Revelation at the beginning of a chapter. KJV's more quotable in terms of single lines, but NIV is much more comprehensible (i.e. not using ye olde english).

Alcohol itself is not evil. People who drink in excess or to escape from reality are the real problem, and that's where the problems tend to lie. But then again, I hardly have any experience in this matter, as I live in what could possibly be the most sheltered community in the USA...

[Deepblue]

Drinking water in Jerusalem would be vastly more devastating to the body than drinking a fermented drink.

Wha...??

At the time of course. The waterways were also the sewers.

[Black Wolf]

Well, I'm a drinker. Hell, in the technical parlance, I'm a binge drinker. But, I've never killed anyone, raped anyone, hurt anyone, or even seriously offended anyone so far as I know. I don't drink drive, Alcohol hasn't served as a stepping stone to harder drugs. I've never done anything more embarassing than some stupid dancing, and once waking up next to a chick who nearly turned me religious (I thank God I was definitely too drunk to have gotten hard enough to have sex with her). I've vomitted, passed out in gardens, forgotten things the next morning, and been hung over out the wazoo.

On the other hand, I've done things I'd never otherwise have done. I've made friends I'll have for life, I've learned the words to dozens of classic songs, gotten laid, improved my relationship with my Dad, and had a crapload of fun doing all of it. So quite frankly, I don't really care what most of you fundy buggers think - Alcohol is fun, and it's done me no harm, and I can guarantee that a few quotes from the bible aren't going to impact on the billions of people in the world today and the billions of people throughout history who've had the same opinions.

[Petrarch of the VBB]

*cheers*

Worthy of Mr Churchill, I'm sure.

[Turambar]

nothing wrong with beer

except for the taste...

im an everclear guy myself.  get it over with quick and enjoy the effects.

and as for the religious aspect.  religion is silly, and completely unneccesary in the modern world.  also, i was raised muslim, so i have nothing but contempt for translated versions of religious text.  i also have nothing but contempt for israel, but im not gonna go convince sandwich to move or anything.

[Ace]

Well turning this around from the dark path of religion:

Alcohol use (other than eating the occassional fruit gone bad to get drunk that we see in not only humans) goes hand in hand with agriculture and stratified societies.

So, is alcohol evil by association with coercive power structures?

[Roanoke]

What blackwolf said. Getting drunk with friends is a right of passage.

[phreak]

The best thing about drinking is that you can have fun even when the bottles are emptied.

In Soviet Russia, Motolov Cocktail throws you.

[Rictor]

I think you meant to say "In Soviet Russia, Molotov throws cocktail at you!". Drunken old bastard.

This also brings up serious doubts as to whether TrashMan is in fact Croatian. Croatia (and much of the Balkan region) would hardly be what it is without copious amounts of rakija, homebrewed.

[Deepblue]

Of all the nations on the planet, why the hell would anyone fake being from Croatia.

[Ford Prefect]

Obviously because it boasts the internationally celebrated Baroque poet of the Counter-Reformation, Ivan Dživo Gundulić!

Hey, you know I'm no fan of national pride, but I'm just saying what I know everyone was thinking.

[Grug]

RofLs!
 

Well, I'm a drinker. Hell, in the technical parlance, I'm a binge drinker. But, I've never killed anyone, raped anyone, hurt anyone, or even seriously offended anyone so far as I know. I don't drink drive, Alcohol hasn't served as a stepping stone to harder drugs. I've never done anything more embarassing than some stupid dancing, and once waking up next to a chick who nearly turned me religious (I thank God I was definitely too drunk to have gotten hard enough to have sex with her). I've vomitted, passed out in gardens, forgotten things the next morning, and been hung over out the wazoo.

On the other hand, I've done things I'd never otherwise have done. I've made friends I'll have for life, I've learned the words to dozens of classic songs, gotten laid, improved my relationship with my Dad, and had a crapload of fun doing all of it. So quite frankly, I don't really care what most of you fundy buggers think - Alcohol is fun, and it's done me no harm, and I can guarantee that a few quotes from the bible aren't going to impact on the billions of people in the world today and the billions of people throughout history who've had the same opinions.

I'll drink to that! :beerchug:
Ed: omg what happened to the beerchug emote!? *cries*

[karajorma]

This also brings up serious doubts as to whether TrashMan is in fact Croatian. Croatia (and much of the Balkan region) would hardly be what it is without copious amounts of rakija, homebrewed.

Of course the real irony is that as far as I've been able to assertain he's also catholic. Which surely means that the blood of Christ is evil.

[Unknown Target]

And karajorma sinks one in the corner pocket! Zing!

[Carl]

Just do way i do and drink virtually nothing but coke.

And i just wanna say that if you want to stay completely away from alchohol than that's actually not a bad idea. no drinking at all = 0% chance of getting drunk. However, drinking one glass of red wine a day is supposed to be good for you.

I personally almost never drink. I just don't like how it tastes.

[Roanoke]

Just do way i do and drink virtually nothing but coke.

I personally almost never drink. I just don't like how it tastes.

well taste isn't really the point....

and with coke you never stop going to the damn toilet. Once you pop...(and all that)

[Col. Fishguts]

Skipping all the religious nonsense in this thread .... I want to know what happened to TrashMan.

I smell women-related drama including sex, drugs and hatred.