[karajorma]

I didnt mean to make such a big frikin deal about this...  I'm just stating that I THINK, that Creationism is true and Evolution is not, just like you guys do vice-versa....

No one is yelling but you claim that evolution isn't true. You are wrong. If you don't wish to know why you are wrong then you may live in ignorance if you wish. If however you are open minded enough to actually listen and hear why you're wrong I'm more than happy to explain why.

See the thing isn't that I THINK evolution is right. I've listened to the evidence and come to the conclusion that it is correct based on all the available evidence? Can you make the same claim? Do you actually understand how evolution works on anything other than the most basic level?

[Turey]

I'm Christian, and I see evolution happening all around me. I don't see how it interferes with my religion. It makes sense to me that God, being extremely intelligent, would create a system that corrects itself and improves itself as opposed to making a system that fails to react to its surroundings.

I'd be ashamed of God if he was running all of life with a setup remarkably like what Microsoft did with Windows XP:
1. Leave a bunch of holes in plain sight.
2. make it so that the system is unable to prevent or recover from crisises, and then have said crisises happen almost constantly.

My personal view of the universe is that God set up some nice rules that allow the system to change to work better, then hit the "Go" button, and the universe started (with a BANG).


off topic, but look at these if you haven't seen them already:
http://www.venganza.org/
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39512

[karajorma]

Evolution only interferes with young Earth creationism. In other words those people who believe that the Earth is 6000 years old cause the bible says so and that all the geologists, paleontologists, astronomers and anyone else whose science says different is either wrong or working for Satan.

Everyone else can simply do the same as you do and say that God set it up but let it run by itself but for the young Earth creationist the Bible contains no symbolism. Every word is the literal truth and therefore everything else must be wrong. This is exactly the attitude the Catholic Church had when they claimed that Galileo was wrong for saying that the Sun was the centre of the Solar System and not the Earth and even the Vatican has basically said that this attitude was stupid and that the Bible must be taken symbolically at times.

[Turambar]

I didnt mean to make such a big frikin deal about this...  I'm just stating that I THINK, that Creationism is true and Evolution is not, just like you guys do vice-versa....

Ok so can you please stop yelling at me....

If you must know, Im 16 years old...

well once you grow up and learn and mature, hopefully your opinion will have changed

[Mars]

Dude, your 18.

[aldo_14]

I've found there to be an exponential growth in maturity between 16-18 (and continuing thereon), and it's supported by the neurological development of various parts of the brain relating to judgement and reasoning.

[ZmaN]

I didnt mean to make such a big frikin deal about this... I'm just stating that I THINK, that Creationism is true and Evolution is not, just like you guys do vice-versa....

Ok so can you please stop yelling at me....

If you must know, Im 16 years old...

well once you grow up and learn and mature, hopefully your opinion will have changed

No

Dude, your 18.

No

I'm Christian, and I see evolution happening all around me. I don't see how it interferes with my religion. It makes sense to me that God, being extremely intelligent, would create a system that corrects itself and improves itself as opposed to making a system that fails to react to its surroundings.

I'd be ashamed of God if he was running all of life with a setup remarkably like what Microsoft did with Windows XP:
1. Leave a bunch of holes in plain sight.
2. make it so that the system is unable to prevent or recover from crisises, and then have said crisises happen almost constantly.

My personal view of the universe is that God set up some nice rules that allow the system to change to work better, then hit the "Go" button, and the universe started (with a BANG).


off topic, but look at these if you haven't seen them already:
http://www.venganza.org/
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39512

You are the one with the hole in your system...  You ever read the book of Genesis in the Bible?  Go read it...

crap! he posted while I was reading the thread!
now I look like such a duche!

yeah, I know that, it had been a day and he hadn't posted so I wanted to give him an easy kill, but then he goes and posts right after I started reading the last page so it looks like that was in responce to him when it was bait to lure him back.

and come on ZmaN don't give up so easily, that isn't any fun! at the very least find a suitable replacement.

Oh!  so you WANT me to get proof of creationism...  Okay... Fine..  its on its way.....

I've found there to be an exponential growth in maturity between 16-18 (and continuing thereon), and it's supported by the neurological development of various parts of the brain relating to judgement and reasoning.

I say its messed up thinking...

[aldo_14]

You are the one with the hole in your system...  You ever read the book of Genesis in the Bible?  Go read it...

What, the earth created in 6 days, on a flat circle suspended ontop of foundations and with a curved roof (from which God 'poured' the great flood) book of Genesis?

I think, considering he is a Christian, you should consider the meaning of 'allegory'.  Because if you're suggesting the Bible can be taken entirely as literal truth..... pi=3.

Oh!  so you WANT me to get proof of creationism...  Okay... Fine..  its on its way.....

To be brutally honest, we just want to show you why and how badly wrong you are.  It's nothing personal, but it's a necessity the way society is going to highlight these things out for what they are.  At least you call it creationism rather than ID, I suppose, which is honest.

I say its messed up thinking...

No, the prefontal cortex - cognitive part of the brain -  develops later than the emotional parts of the brain; the brain in fact doesn't stop developing until into the twenties.

[Mars]

*Sees the holy-water equiped flame-throwers being taken from beneath peoples seats*
...

*Runs away to the ductwork and realitive safty, sacrafical lunch in hand*

[Ford Prefect]

ZmaN's arguments sound like my sarcasm gone bad-- like if I logged on this website while drunk or something.

[Mars]

I've done that.

[achtung]

At the risk of me being flamed to hell........

You guys can be very hypocritical at times.  You always preech acceptance of others and you can't leave this kid alone over his beliefs.  Let him believe what he wants, and stop trying to act like your way is the right way.  I mean, it's obvious he isn't going to change his beliefs, and what good does feeling like you've won an arguement on the internet do?

Oh, and I do believe in evolution BTW.

[Ford Prefect]

I think it's because he's not arguing; he's spouting phrases. If he wants to believe these things, that's fine. But if he wants to argue the point, he ought to do everyone the courtesy of actually debating, as opposed to crafting such nuanced retorts as, "You are the one with the hole in your system...  You ever read the book of Genesis in the Bible?  Go read it..."

[achtung]

Well, yeah, if he intends to continue arguing then he needs to support his claims.  But, meh, doesn't appear that he will.

[Charismatic]

Evolution is False. The End.

[Turambar]

Evolution is False. The End.

that has to be the most compelling argument i've ever heard

[ZmaN]

Evolution is False. The End.

Agreed..

I have two out of three pages scanned and a little something I wrote up for your information on this subject..
Ill have that up in two days, MAX....

Also, I have a friend who made a powerpoint presentation, which I will attatch for you guys to look at..

[Ford Prefect]

Evolution is False. The End.

[ZmaN]

Evolution is False. The End.

That does nothing but make you look like a fruitcake...

[Ford Prefect]

You should see me in person.