[aldo_14]

Similar editing in media happens here. Getting access to a full unaltered version of a press release can sometimes be a rare and factual experience. It also opens ones eyes to how much spin the media put on things.

As for the UK's clogged prison system, there's been some jokes flying around down here in Australia. They mostly include inviting you guys to dump your prisoners here again, but us putting them to work in the uranium mines.

Um... did you know Australia has a slightly less jail occupancy rate (still overfull), but a higher percentage of unsentenced prisoners than England & Wales?  So really the figures are more or less equal, except for Scotland, which is lower than both countries on both those counts. 

So I guess you can see how media spin can change perspectives.

[Grug]

Compare the rates to other countries though and we seem to be quite normal if not below average. LoL at us having the 2nd highest rate of imprisoned woman. Take that Russia!
Mind, if you were to take into account country population etc thing might read a little differently.
I think we do fairly well (according to those stats) considering we're a fairly diverse and multicultural country.

[Bobboau]

Why, does your conservative party accuse every other party of being Marxists and accuse refugees of ethnically cleansing white people?

ummm... eh, as a matter of fact.... for the most part.... eh, yyyeeeeah.....

"BNP, nearly as bloody stupid insane as the Americans"
.........

[aldo_14]

Compare the rates to other countries though and we seem to be quite normal if not below average. LoL at us having the 2nd highest rate of imprisoned woman. Take that Russia!
Mind, if you were to take into account country population etc thing might read a little differently.
I think we do fairly well (according to those stats) considering we're a fairly diverse and multicultural country.

I always thought it was because was a fairly diverse & multicultural country.

[Turambar]

i'd like to see bush talking on his own for 9 minutes with a guy who will ask him non-pre-scripted questions

i'd make some popcorn, and watch it on a nice big tv so i can see him sweat

[Grug]

http://www.cis.org.au/Policy/summer02-03/polsumm0203-1.htm

Trends in Australia and New Zealand

Murray compared US and UK data over time and found a clear pattern. But what happens if we extend his analysis of crime and prison trends to other Anglophone countries?19 In particular, does MurrayÕs analysis hold for Australia and New Zealand?

In Australia and New Zealand, as in the US and the UK, the prison population has grown in absolute numbers over the last 40 years, although the growth has been nothing like as large as in the US. As Figure 1 above shows, imprisonment per head of population roughly doubled in Australia and New Zealand (and in England and Wales) in the 40 years after 1960, with most of the increase coming after the mid-1980s, although the Australian trend has lagged somewhat behind that of the other two countries.

Where Australia, New Zealand and England and Wales all differ from the US, however, is in the rate of imprisonment per crime committed. That rate fell in all three countries until the mid-1980s. Since then it has remained relatively constant, rising slightly in England and Wales and New Zealand in the last few years (Figure 3 opposite) while staying flat in Australia (Figure 2 below). Thus, although the number of prisoners increased in all three countries over the last 40 years, the probability of ending up in prison for a serious offence declined quite dramatically.

A nice read if your interested in that type of stuff. I'm also snooping around the Institute of Criminology for Australia atm.
My Aunty studied criminology. She used to defend the jail system if someone *****ed about the justice of letting people go free early etc.

I'm still trying to find more stats, but I so far seem to find a steep increase in crime after the TV was invented and became mainstream.

[aldo_14]

http://www.cis.org.au/Policy/summer02-03/polsumm0203-1.htm

Trends in Australia and New Zealand

Murray compared US and UK data over time and found a clear pattern. But what happens if we extend his analysis of crime and prison trends to other Anglophone countries?19 In particular, does MurrayÕs analysis hold for Australia and New Zealand?

In Australia and New Zealand, as in the US and the UK, the prison population has grown in absolute numbers over the last 40 years, although the growth has been nothing like as large as in the US. As Figure 1 above shows, imprisonment per head of population roughly doubled in Australia and New Zealand (and in England and Wales) in the 40 years after 1960, with most of the increase coming after the mid-1980s, although the Australian trend has lagged somewhat behind that of the other two countries.

Where Australia, New Zealand and England and Wales all differ from the US, however, is in the rate of imprisonment per crime committed. That rate fell in all three countries until the mid-1980s. Since then it has remained relatively constant, rising slightly in England and Wales and New Zealand in the last few years (Figure 3 opposite) while staying flat in Australia (Figure 2 below). Thus, although the number of prisoners increased in all three countries over the last 40 years, the probability of ending up in prison for a serious offence declined quite dramatically.

A nice read if your interested in that type of stuff. I'm also snooping around the Institute of Criminology for Australia atm.
My Aunty studied criminology. She used to defend the jail system if someone *****ed about the justice of letting people go free early etc.

I'm still trying to find more stats, but I so far seem to find a steep increase in crime after the TV was invented and became mainstream.

Albiet Tv become mainstream would itself both be a consequence of other societal changesand run parralel, anyways.

[Grug]

Aye. America poisening the world via TV.
At least, I'm up for blaming them. The TV told me too.

But yeah, AuzLand(tm) is supposedly multicultural. But it creates a lot of problems as well. There is still racism etc, its just that it seems to be a slightly worse offence than normal abuse.
But the extreme of that can be seen in the incidents down in cronulla fairly recentish.
Plus any true racist would have a hard life here I think, near every job has multitudes of different races of people, a racist wouldn't get very far at all.
Australian violence has mostly been under the media radar, some people hardly ever hear about it. of it goes on in the street, low key stuff, ie no guns. So its kind of shovelled under the proverbial mat.

[karajorma]

 

i'd like to see bush talking on his own for 9 minutes with a guy who will ask him non-pre-scripted questions

i'd make some popcorn, and watch it on a nice big tv so i can see him sweat

I'd love to see Bush get the old style Jeremy Paxman treatment.

[aldo_14]

I'd love to see Bush get the old style Jeremy Paxman treatment.

"Did you threaten to overrule him?"

[karajorma]

Yep I can't hear that paticular interview without bursting out laughing to this day

EDIT : Class! The BBC website has the interview!

It gets good around the 1:40 mark when he asks if Howard lied.

[Goober5000]

He never said that (though he might, I'm not him).

Said what? My quote above? He bloody well did, watch it again near the end.

Just FYI, I think you missed Grug's post and misinterpreted Kalfireth's post as replying directly to you.

[aldo_14]

Just FYI, I think you missed Grug's post and misinterpreted Kalfireth's post as replying directly to you.

Um... that doesn't really make any sense.

[NGTM-1R]

"BNP, nearly as bloody stupid insane as the Americans"
.........

Do I look KKK to you for some reason or what?

[Grug]

"BNP, nearly as bloody stupid insane as the Americans"
.........

Do I look KKK to you for some reason or what?

Are you black?

[Fineus]

Um... that doesn't really make any sense.

Yes it does I wasn't replying to you.. I was replying to Grug who said "You agree with some of the other points raised as well?" whilst quoting Goober. You've misunderstood a bit mate

Cyker, I do hear what you're saying but I'm actually not arguing for or against this man or the BNP... moreover I'm saying that there are issues this country needs to address that are swept under the carpet by media manipulation and - yes - the careful nudging of society towards consumerism.

[Grug]

Goober still didn't answer my question though.

[NGTM-1R]

Do I look KKK to you for some reason or what?

Are you black?

Are you asking irrelevant questions?

[Goober5000]

Goober still didn't answer my question though.

This one?

You agree with some of the other points raised as well?

Ya.

[Grug]

Do I look KKK to you for some reason or what?

Are you black?

Are you asking irrelevant questions?

Yeah. Curiosity killed the cat eh?
Does your answer matter that much though?

Goober still didn't answer my question though.

This one?

You agree with some of the other points raised as well?

Ya.

Hmmrh, I suspected so.