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Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: Reimagining cap ships!
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RBC=Remote Beam Cannon
RBC- R = BC
BC = Beam Cannon

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Offline aldo_14

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WEll thats a good point.(C_D) On the other hand the GTVA has these beams for like what..30+ years?? they must be able to improve on the beam tech by now. surely a more eficeint beam cannon can not be far away.

BC=beam cannon , i think!

what makes you think any of the beam cannon used in FS2 are 30 years old?

 

Offline AlphaOne

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well the fact that the design of the ships and theyr building was done during peace time sugests a long period of development as oposed to the war like status. Also the fact that they alraedy had tech data on the lucifer flux cannons on wich beam cannons are based (i think) would of ment they were developed quite soon after the Lucifer colapsed the jumpnode to Sol since they really didnt know if there were more of them out there. Also the fact that the Colli is a 20 years endeavour specificly designed to incorporate beam tech means they are at least 20 years old.
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Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: Reimagining cap ships!
The collossus took 20 years to build, It was designed with Beam Cannons in mind, so they must have pre-existed, Not taking into account how long a project of that scale would take to concieve, plan and implement.
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
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-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
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Offline aldo_14

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Re: Reimagining cap ships!
well the fact that the design of the ships and theyr building was done during peace time sugests a long period of development as oposed to the war like status. Also the fact that they alraedy had tech data on the lucifer flux cannons on wich beam cannons are based (i think) would of ment they were developed quite soon after the Lucifer colapsed the jumpnode to Sol since they really didnt know if there were more of them out there. Also the fact that the Colli is a 20 years endeavour specificly designed to incorporate beam tech means they are at least 20 years old.

That only means they were first built 20 years (more, really, going by the Sobek) ago.  It's pretty unlikely the GTVA wouldn't have kept the same beam tech for 20 years, even ignoring the NTF rebellion and any other fringe conflicts; same logic as sees the US developing new nuclear weapons despite not having any real enemy to use them against.  Hell, same logic as the big C - strengthen for the future.

 

Offline AlphaOne

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Oh so the GTVA does actualy improve its weapons designs doesnt it??? then who is to say they can't actuali improve the design in 2-3 years? Just in time for them to put them on the bew warships?? Cuz thats how long I imagine it would take to design and actualy send off the first ship for testing. Its a short period of time yeah i know but consider the fact that some of the tech already exists and it would be very usefull as a starting point as instead of starting from 0
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Oh so the GTVA does actualy improve its weapons designs doesnt it??? then who is to say they can't actuali improve the design in 2-3 years? Just in time for them to put them on the bew warships?? Cuz thats how long I imagine it would take to design and actualy send off the first ship for testing. Its a short period of time yeah i know but consider the fact that some of the tech already exists and it would be very usefull as a starting point as instead of starting from 0

Sorry, but what, exactly, are you on about?

 

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That only means they were first built 20 years (more, really, going by the Sobek) ago.  It's pretty unlikely the GTVA wouldn't have kept the same beam tech for 20 years, even ignoring the NTF rebellion and any other fringe conflicts; same logic as sees the US developing new nuclear weapons despite not having any real enemy to use them against.  Hell, same logic as the big C - strengthen for the future.

Thata what i was on about ! The fact that the GTVA is improving its beam tech and generally its weapons ship tech all the time. This way you could actualy see in 2 or 3 years a beam with close or exactly the same specs as the ones i said.
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That only means they were first built 20 years (more, really, going by the Sobek) ago.  It's pretty unlikely the GTVA wouldn't have kept the same beam tech for 20 years, even ignoring the NTF rebellion and any other fringe conflicts; same logic as sees the US developing new nuclear weapons despite not having any real enemy to use them against.  Hell, same logic as the big C - strengthen for the future.

Thata what i was on about ! The fact that the GTVA is improving its beam tech and generally its weapons ship tech all the time. This way you could actualy see in 2 or 3 years a beam with close or exactly the same specs as the ones i said.

Except you have to be very careful vis-a-vis the laws of diminishing returns.

 

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For anyone about to say somthing about a beam, ship, or animal in Freespace, do us all a favor... look it up in the Wiki first.

 

Offline AlphaOne

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What diminishing returns i dont get it. A darn mi english.

The idea was that since a heavy beam cannon is well kind of hard to swollow ina ship that is suposed to be smaller then a corvette yet a slasher beam would be too weak to be usefull you would actualy take steps to adapt other heavy beams for this ship. Sure they would be smaller then theyre destroyer mounted counterparts and do less damage but the idea behind it was to make it fire faster as to compensate for this situation. Sure it probably wont do as much damage even with its increased firing rate as the standard BG but the diference cant be too big since it would be again unusable.

Also such beams after an initial trial test could posibly be adapted for the corvettes and why not some of them even on destroyers if you can.

But regardless if you can actualy mount them on anything else they should be more the good for the specific ship class . This combined with thery forward firing ark (all beam can fire straight ahead) and numbers should be a deadly combination. When i ment numbers i ment not only for the number of beams on the ship but actualy the number of ships involved.

Lets imagine 2 or 3 of these vesels ambushing a destroyer. I somehow doubght the destroyer would stand much of a chance. Especialy if its a Hecate...you know the whole slasher beams on the side thing.
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What diminishing returns i dont get it. A darn mi english.

The idea was that since a heavy beam cannon is well kind of hard to swollow ina ship that is suposed to be smaller then a corvette yet a slasher beam would be too weak to be usefull you would actualy take steps to adapt other heavy beams for this ship. Sure they would be smaller then theyre destroyer mounted counterparts and do less damage but the idea behind it was to make it fire faster as to compensate for this situation. Sure it probably wont do as much damage even with its increased firing rate as the standard BG but the diference cant be too big since it would be again unusable.

Also such beams after an initial trial test could posibly be adapted for the corvettes and why not some of them even on destroyers if you can.

But regardless if you can actualy mount them on anything else they should be more the good for the specific ship class . This combined with thery forward firing ark (all beam can fire straight ahead) and numbers should be a deadly combination. When i ment numbers i ment not only for the number of beams on the ship but actualy the number of ships involved.

Lets imagine 2 or 3 of these vesels ambushing a destroyer. I somehow doubght the destroyer would stand much of a chance. Especialy if its a Hecate...you know the whole slasher beams on the side thing.

Diminishing returns is simple; technological development of a specific technology - be it a piece of software, an engine, or a beam turret - is not a linear or exponential growth of efficiency and power, etc.  More of a bell curve, I think. 

Essentially, we can't be sure that 2 years will bring a significant improvement; it may be that 2 years will result in the theoretical limit of some technology - perhaps not even in the cannon, but in the hull material, the power conduits, reactor output, etc - that prevents a big development leap.  Putting these weapons on a craft that is small and cheap (because it will be highly vulnerable in any defensive position, and the larger it becomes the more uneconomical), does require IMO a significant advancement. 

For example, if you take the Deimos - probably the newest and best ship in FS2 - and move all its beam (including AAAf) weaponry to a frontal position, is that realistic?  Bearing in mind that even just shifting the turrets on the current hull would result in heat, power delivery, stress-during-firing, and soforth issues.  i'm not sure that's feasible within 2 or 3 years, making a ship built around that spec which is viable in both cost and battlefield terms.

 

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ummm i didnt say it has to have all of its weapons in a frontal position i think i said forward firing arc.

I dont believe it is the same thing. I mean i would want this ship to be able to have adequate defences but it but be primarely an offensive weapon.

Also I didnt say they would be able to make some tech breaqthrough in beam tech but rather improve on the existing ones.

Also the beam for this ship would be a modified verios of either a vasudan big beam or a terran BG only not so powerfull cuzz well i would imagine they are too powerfull and too big for such a ship.

Also they would have to be more powerfull then a slasher a lot more powerfull i mean such a ship if it hits a corvette for example i mean a direct hit with bombs and beams it would have to at least cripple a Deimos in order to make it usefull. I wiuld imagine a deimos cant quite take the full brunt of a BG let alone 2 or 3 of them. Oh since this ship has to have weaker beam cannons the that I  would imagine it leaving the corvette at about 25-to-35% hull strenght.
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