[Mars]

Iceni is over a kilometer long, so yeah, bit bigger.

Does anyone look at posted statistics. The Iceni is 998M long, just under a kilometer. I think a frigate is just between a corvette and a destroyer. I'm not sure how anyone could belive a frigate to be betwen a cruiser and a corvette, when my post I showed the realitive sizes of all Terran / Vasudan cruisers, corvettes, the Iceni and destroyers.

Except IIRC you also get Strike Cruisers (the, er, Shivan one that carries fighters), so....maybe best not to over-analyze it

Isn't that canonically a corvette, to me it looks like a corvette with a small fighterbay, probably holding 2 or 3 wings.

[aldo_14]

;; I added in this Strike Cruiser because I needed a ship besides the Cruiser, one that had docking
;; bays.  This is a strike cruiser, it's faster and can hold ships, but at the expense of hull.
;; - SS

$Name:                  SC Rakshasa

[Shade]

Its docking bays seems to have suffered the same fate as the Mentus heavy beams though.

[Mars]

Except that the Mentu with heavy beam cannons is only marginally effective because of the Mentu's horrible turret placement, but a Rakshasa with a fighterbay could be very impressive. If anyone makes a high poly Rakshasa, they should add that in; it sounds cool.

[S-99]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frigate
Frigate in modern terms is used for a vessel thats larger than a corvette, and smaller than a destroyer. Just because the iceni is the only frigate of it's kind in the game doesn't mean it qualifies for not being a frigate just because it's the only frigate class ship in the game. The iceni is a big ship, bigger than a deimos or a sobek very noticeably, and it's half the length of an orion.
As for the hippocrates being a medical frigate, i don't  understand, it's 546meters long. Maybe they consider the hippocrates a medical frigate not due to it's length, but also buy it's width(hippocrates is one wide vessel).
And a rakshasa with a fighterbay would be about as impressive as a fenris or leviathan with a fighterbay and all 4 or 5 perseus sized fighters it would be launching, considering it's not too small in the first place which would highly be the case. This is like giving a cain or a lilith a fighterbay.

[Mars]

I say it would be impressive because otherwise the Rakashasa sucks in an anti-fighter role.

Calith cruisers don't need fighterbays, because the Lilith is the first or second most impressive cruiser to begin with (due to the LRed) and the Cain is supposed to suck.

[AlphaOne]

WEll the Calith(see i get it now ) is what the second most impresive cruiser in the game. Also the small fighterbay on the shivan cruiser is somewhat useless if u ask me. It doesnt hold any large number of ships and since Other then the Orion all GTVA warships have good AAF defences its rather useless. Well theres the Fensris but I dont see the fenris taking on any shivan cruiser.

[S-99]

I can see a fenris taking on a shivan cruiser as long as it's within 1500 meters for it's AAA and other laser turrets and missile launcher. Swarm missiles that shivan cruisers shoot aren't that great at hitting anything. And shivan AAA is like one turret per ship. After that for shivan cruisers, you got a couple of laser turrets, and capship beams localized on the front of the vessel. Keep in mind, as long as the fenris or leviathen is within AAA distance and fighting the shivans from it's side and not from the front, it could go good.

[Mars]

Aeoli in a toe to toe fight with other cruisers tend not to use their main beams, but still tend to win by flaking the other cruiser to death. Just as well, since their main beams only cause a sustained damage / second of 61, while every flak turret causes 200 damage / second.

[AlphaOne]

so basicly the aeouli is the top dog in terms of cruisers is that right??


Also regarding the frigates i would imagine one frigate two or three cuisers and one corvette and one destroyer to be very very efective battlegroup. The frigate and corvette would provide both the muscle(beam cannons) and the AAAf defense if its needed by the destroyer but mainly the beam cannon firepower needed by the destroyer with the cruisers providing escort for the destroyer.

This way you have very good combination of both fighter power projection and beam cannon firepower projection to take on any enemy fleet. Unless they happen to be Sathani in wich case youre screwed.

[Mars]

As far as cruisers go I agree with the veteren comments in the wiki wherein the Aeolus is the second most effective cruiser in the game, my scale goes like this:

Lilith / Aeolus tie (Lilith is by far the best anti-capital, but the Aeolus is the only one with a good anti-fighter array)
Leviathan
Cain
Mentu
Fenris
Aten

[TrashMan]

My version, all with options for different namings according to the designers preferance and perceived mission...

Capital ships (or main combatants):
Battleship/Dreadnought
Heavy Cruiser/Battlecruiser
Cruiser/Strike Cruiser
Frigate/Destroyer
Corvette/Gunboat/Missileboat

Carriers are imo sort of separate but arranged in similar way:
Fleet Carrier/Heavy Carrier
Carrier/Strike Carrier
Escort Carrier/Light Carrier

I allways percived a Battleship something a as WW2 equalent - lot's of heavy guns with all around coverage.
The term Dreadnought, automaticly pops a image of a huge ship built around a big weapon (fixed) in my head.

[Shade]

Well, strictly speaking a Dreadnaught is just a Battleship that foregoes the smaller caliber auxiliary guns for an extra main turret. It's not even an official ship class, just a nickname since the first one to do that was... HMS Dreadnaught. Which was actually a really bad move at the time as it made all fleets, at a time when the british fleet was far superior in number of battleships to any other, start back from square one, negating their advantage in one fell swoop.

Lesson to be learned? Don't introduce advances that nullify your own forces when in fact your forces are far superior in strength and number to everyone else's. Save them for when someone else start doing it.

[Mars]

Or don't announce it until you've effectively replaced your current fleet.

[Setekh]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frigate
Frigate in modern terms is used for a vessel thats larger than a corvette, and smaller than a destroyer.

In case you haven't realised this already, you need to be careful with your use of real-world classifications there. FS tips those categories right upside down. For instance:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruiser
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyer

[Colonol Dekker]

FS2talage aside, i never take game hierarchy that seriously, otherwise HW wouldave broken my brain years ago..

[Mars]

Yeah I know in Real Life^TM destroyers are just big gunboats (except in modern day real world, where they are medium sized warships) still, Volition decided to call them destroyers, who are we to argue? Or were you saying his "frigate is between a destroyer and cruiser in size" wasn't the most acurate statement, because I think at one point it might have been true.

[NGTM-1R]

Frigates have always been smaller then either...between destroyer and corvette, however, works.

[AlphaOne]

Umm i alwais thought frigates in rel life were actualy larger then destroyers.

But nevermind that glad to see we can all agree that a frigate class similar to the Iceni in design would be very welcomed to the GTVA since it would help them to reduce costs in terms of ship building. We have corvettes and figattes coupled with at least one destroyer efectively making the fleet more deadly then it ever was. and with a Triton carrier or poket carrier that would be great. Small manouverable with very good offensive and defensive line to them. Superb.

[Shade]

Well, destroyers were initially really small. But today, they're effectively cruisers by a different name...