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Offline Sarafan

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And their dogs?  :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Offline AlphaOne

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And you think that the SOC having a fleet of its own covering the entire GTVA controlled space and beyond is big?? I dont think so! Also the GTVI would be the first to implement new weapons designs and test them as well as the SOC that is why i said they would be more advanced and not use the whole standard equpment. I mean even experimental tech would be provided first to the GTVI and SOC for extensive testing and development in conjuctuion with the GTVA reasearch divisions or whaever they are called. Also since both the GTVI and the SOC specialize in intel gathering and infiltration and covert operations in general i'm sure they can find more then a good reason for one of theyr ships to pass through one sector or another. Or even disquise them as regulat GTVA ships.


And noone said they have to use they milatary power every time they have to do  job hell no they could be using civilian transports to get theyr operatives to where they need to be .  Also I do not believe that the SOC or the GTVI would be comitting theyr most valuaed possesions (the capships) to just any other conflict or normal intel gathering. But when you have to deep into uncharted space and you need masive scanning power and also some milatary power just in case i do not believe they will call in just any ship from the GTVA milatary but rathe use theyr own ships speciali modified for more surveilance and intel gathering.
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And their dogs?  :lol: :lol: :lol:

You not seen Lassie Come Home then? Those things are smart. Best to take them out and prevent them coming looking for you :D
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Offline Flipside

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You're only in danger if you hide in an old forgotten well or a seaside cave with the tide coming in, then they'll hunt you down ;) Assuming you don't get got by a Dolphin or a Kangaroo first ;)

 

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My sister and brother-in-law have a Collie, smartest dog I've ever met.

 

Offline aldo_14

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And you think that the SOC having a fleet of its own covering the entire GTVA controlled space and beyond is big?? I dont think so! Also the GTVI would be the first to implement new weapons designs and test them as well as the SOC that is why i said they would be more advanced and not use the whole standard equpment. I mean even experimental tech would be provided first to the GTVI and SOC for extensive testing and development in conjuctuion with the GTVA reasearch divisions or whaever they are called. Also since both the GTVI and the SOC specialize in intel gathering and infiltration and covert operations in general i'm sure they can find more then a good reason for one of theyr ships to pass through one sector or another. Or even disquise them as regulat GTVA ships.

And noone said they have to use they milatary power every time they have to do  job hell no they could be using civilian transports to get theyr operatives to where they need to be .  Also I do not believe that the SOC or the GTVI would be comitting theyr most valuaed possesions (the capships) to just any other conflict or normal intel gathering. But when you have to deep into uncharted space and you need masive scanning power and also some milatary power just in case i do not believe they will call in just any ship from the GTVA milatary but rathe use theyr own ships speciali modified for more surveilance and intel gathering.

- why would the SOC/GTVI want to cover the entire GTVA?  That's the fleets job.
- why would the SOC use experimental weapons technology when they operate in the most hostile environments possible, where they need reliability above all else?  Hell, the last thing you want to do is do field testing deep behind enemy lines.
- the GTVI will have extensive access to GTVA ships in terms of intelligence gathering and distributing - they don't need their own, they can rely on GTVA recon groups, etc to do the work (with the SOC for high risk ops).  In all likelihood, the GTVI are just plain old analysts; especially given the GTIs skullduggery.
-it's the SOCs (forget this notion of the GTVI needing their own military assets) very job to get into and behind the frontlines of conflict; Missions with the Special Operations Command are carried out deep in enemy territory, with minimal logistical support. Our behind-the-lines activities include infiltration, sabotage, surgical strikes, and intelligence gathering.
- note that the previous kind of precludes very specific specialised ships, unless you want to make the SOC conspicuously large.

Essentially, the GTVI doesn't need ships any more than the CIA needs tanks.  And the SOC doesn't need a huge fleet or experimental craft because it runs contrary to the notion of a small, elite unit.

 

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My sister and brother-in-law have a Collie, smartest dog I've ever met.

Yeah, the Collies are, I think, the smartest of the dogs, closely followed by Alsations iirc, I had a cross breed Border Collie/Ruff Collie (Shep/Lassie), that Dog was the smartest animal I have ever seen.

 

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Well, we'we seen the SOC to have the Hamako (AWACS) and Erynies far sooner then anyone even heard of them.Only when you become the elite do you even HEAR of the Erynies existing as a Op-Val ship (but you've seen in far sooner than that in the hands of SOC when you "destroy" the Sunder)

As for hte size of hte SCO it's BIG...from our point of view. The GTVA covers dozens of STAR SYSTEMS. Think of SAS or Delta Force and how big a organizations they are and they don't even cover 2/3rds of a planet....

And it0s quise possible for the SCO to have it's own ships, alltough it wouldn't be anything fancy...prolly cruisers and corvettes, maby even a Orion (all modified) but from the outside they would look completely the same. They could traverese systems posing as a normal GTVA warship (they would have acess to IFF and ID codes)..
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Offline Mars

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Yeah, that's my thought, a few "light" ships, Argos, AWACs, corvettes and cruisers.

 

Offline AlphaOne

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Never said it has to hase like half a dozen or destroyers on hand a a few dozen other warships. Just one fleet:1 or 2 destroyers (if posible-all modified)+about 3 or 4 corvettes+some cruisers maibe some aeoulous....and most of all a doze or so argost and other ships like that.
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Never said it has to hase like half a dozen or destroyers on hand a a few dozen other warships. Just one fleet:1 or 2 destroyers (if posible-all modified)+about 3 or 4 corvettes+some cruisers maibe some aeoulous....and most of all a doze or so argost and other ships like that.

That's a bloody large force for a covert unit.

 

Offline karajorma

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One rather big question beckons if the SOC are big.

Why the **** did they need to pull Alpha 1 out of his regular unit not just once but twice to work for them?
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Offline TrashMan

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Becosue Alpha 1 is TEH Uber Zoldier...

And becouse it's a game and being in a covert-op/elite units is cool.
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Chances are that there are no 'true' SOC ships, even in modern day warfare, Special Ops units get assigned to platforms, not vice-versa. For all we know, a representative of Special Ops could have turned up on the Aquitane and simple said, 'Right, we need a good pilot, some hangar space with zero crew access and the loan of one of the battlefleet's cruisers for 3 weeks. Here's the paperwork, thanks very much.'

And that would be the end of it. Even the Erinyes is probably limited to SOC and Elite pilots because they are too damn expensive to give to less experiences ones.

 

Offline AlphaOne

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Umm that would make any admiral fleet commander or whatever red with anger. I mean you are taking away some of his warships after all. But then again What happenes when you can not just go around and ask the admiral or whatever to loan you a few of his warships?? Or hell you migh even need one or 2 corvettes since those are rather large vesseles??

That could be a posible scenario you know. Also you would need crew's to man the ships comissioned where ae you gooing to take them?? You must have some crews with high level clearence.
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Offline karajorma

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Which might mean something if the GTVA didn't routinely classify things Alpha 1 has seen at high clearance.

I think Flipside is bang on the money with the Ray Butts theory :D
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Offline aldo_14

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Umm that would make any admiral fleet commander or whatever red with anger. I mean you are taking away some of his warships after all. But then again What happenes when you can not just go around and ask the admiral or whatever to loan you a few of his warships?? Or hell you migh even need one or 2 corvettes since those are rather large vesseles??

Probably not 'a few'.  Probably 1 or 2.  Also, those commanders will know their responsibilities with regard to deploying their vessels.  And you don't ask - you order.

They'll also be - being commanders of destroyers or fleets - privy to key intelligence and likely aware of the purpose of the mission, if not given local command.

That could be a posible scenario you know. Also you would need crew's to man the ships comissioned where ae you gooing to take them?? You must have some crews with high level clearence.

What, like Alpha 1?

If crews are being recuited for small-scale, disparate missions, not only are they sworn to secrecy as any soldier in covert ops is nowadays, they also only have a small portion of information they could divulge.

 

Offline Mars

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I think there might be some medium ships, corvettes for instance, that are SOC, just because you don't want somone to look out a window, see an Charybdis and tell all their buddies when the corvette is defending the AWACS.

 

Offline aldo_14

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I think there might be some medium ships, corvettes for instance, that are SOC, just because you don't want somone to look out a window, see an Charybdis and tell all their buddies when the corvette is defending the AWACS.

Huh?  It's surely pretty implicit everyone on a ship will be held to secrecy under the security conventions.

 

Offline Mars

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Yeah... your right.