[Mefustae]

Its only human nature to step on the week to achieve your goals.

Then why are you singling out the United States?

There is no such thing as a good empire but there is such a thing as empires better then others. Its just a mater of how bad in comparison the least bad ones they are situated.

This just in, the US is not an Empire!! To label it as one is simply being provocative and sensationalist.

In all honesty bombing their factories was quite tame compared to the mass slaughter of millions of innocent Jewissh people. Oh yeah and invading Poland also

Oh don't start. If there's one thing I f***ing hate, it's when people try to justify killing.

[Colonol Dekker]

? I just realised anything national can be called a Nation (D'uh) But being uninterested in US Politics apart from Bush making snafus every half hour, I gotta admit i dont know, How would a non-us citizen (obviously living outside the us ) classify it, Id call it a super state but not an empire........

[AlphaOne]

Well for now its a super state at least in its name there si no empire atached yet the the name. But if this keeps up that thing will most definetly happen. And even if the word "empire" doesnt show up in the name it will come to be regarded as one by most of the people living outside the US.

Never ment to sigle ut the US but it just happens that its the only one remaining..er....superstate. Oh and they have an "expansionistic bomme'em into submission go for the money whreever you can kind of policy."

[Grug]

How the hell would you have done it then AlphaOne? How should it have been done. By all means enlighten us.

[AlphaOne]

Say what?? Dont know what you want me to explain please refrase! I'm serious didnt understand the phrase.

[Turnsky]

regardless of who's "right", or who's "wrong" on either side of the fence, it's the civilians, and other innocent people who really just want to get on with their lives who are gonna get caught in the crossfire, as always. We shall see how things pan out in the end, however, i just think it's gonna get a whole lot worse before it gets any better.

it's all about the escalation, one side punches the other in the gut, the other side does the same only with a spiked knuckleduster, and so on, and so forth, it's all rather comic if you ask me, yet sad at the same time.

*starts singing "a kiss to build a dream on"*

[Grug]

I was asking how you would of handled the europe situation.

And btw, it wasn't really the UK or US that bombed Germany into the ground. Russia took care of that with their artillery. What was it 300 guns firing for 5 days straight or something like that?
The UK and US didn't even hear about it they were that far away.
And leaving europe to russia was pretty much the only choice they had to them. Russia had bolstered their forces and outnumbered the UK and US forces together something like 30:1. It would of been bloody stupid to start another war with russia.

[Colonol Dekker]

I thought Market Garden dropped Allied forces between Russia and Germany?  ( a bridge too far )
If thats the case they should have got there first.

I think my philosophy is kind of archaic in some ways, but its the way i feel: If my country goes to war without me, I dont care what its over, who started it, Whats at stake, I just cheer em on and give my total support.

[aldo_14]

I'm pretty sure there was one incident when a British officer actually took command of a German squad (some medium sized soldiery group), and helped organize them to defend against the Russians until US/UK soldiers arrived for them to (eventually) surrender to.

[Colonol Dekker]

There ya go i 've heard of that story, It was part of the red devils. An english Para group from WWII sorta like 101st airborne but "not as soft" 

[Mefustae]

I can see that happening. You really, really didn't want to be anywhere near those zany ruskies, whether you were military or civilian.

[Colonol Dekker]

No, they werent fighting cos the reds attacked, we just have opride in keeping our prisoners "OUR" prisoners . 
Its kinda like you finding a gold mine mining all the gold, putting it in a nice crate to take to the bank, Then some damn reds come and "Yoink" it......

[Mefustae]

What the hell are you talking about? I was referring to the wehrmacht soldiers choosing to fight with the British commander, not the other way around, and even then the Commander was undoubtedly aware of the wave of destruction and horror that was the Red Army.

[Colonol Dekker]

What the hell are you talking about 
A- Germans Surrender to small British squad
B- Russians try to take the POWs by force
C- Brits organize, Germs to fight superior numeric REDS
D- Reds held, until Brits main contingent arrive
X- We keep OUR  prisoners.


 

[Mefustae]

What the hell are you talking about 
A- Germans Surrender to small British squad
B- Russians try to take the POWs by force
C- Brits organize, Germs to fight superior numeric REDS
D- Reds held, until Brits main contingent arrive
X- We keep OUR  prisoners.

Source?

[Colonol Dekker]

Nah mate, I'll have some salad cream though........
 
Aldo's heard of it.
I read it in a book.
Google it............

[Grug]

The russians got there first because they are red.
Duh.

[Mefustae]

You're saying that a British commander voluntarily took command of an enemy unit to fight an allied force of Soviet soldiers that were attempting to capture said enemy unit, for the sole reason of "keeping the prisoners in British hands". S***, I know relations weren't exactly peachy between the Eastern and Western forces, but I still find voluntary open conflict hard to believe.

Now, said commander taking command out of necessity in the face of an imminent Red Army attack he had no way of flagging to a stop, maybe. But to do it for the hell of "keeping the prisoners"?

[Colonol Dekker]

Call it pride if you will, Maybe the reds were just battle blind/combat high. Irellevent in the end, Until i find the book and scan it or find an article on the story (some finite details) this is all speculative. I cant remember enouugh to warrant a debate to be honest. Once i've dug it up ill post here though.

[AlphaOne]

ummm what are you people on about?? The Russians never got anywhere near Germani till 1945.

Also the russians just baslted away the german strogholds amignst the rubble. they wanted to clear a path to berlin as fast as posible. Also  dont think 4 years of constant bommbing by thousands of planes equals the artilary thing.

But regardless of who is right and whis is not i'm not talking about the fact that they 'had' no choice in the matter (yeah right) i'm talking about the fact that they made it 'legal' through a treaty. I mean thats just sick. that's like splitting a peace of bread into 3 just beacuse you can.