[aldo_14]

Was it Wilde who said 'Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious'?

[Colonol Dekker]

For F*CK SAKE!!!
I spent six bloody years in the f*ckin army, from 99 to last april, 9 months in bloody IRAQ, and I have EARNED The right to bloody sit it out, DONT you dare preach the f*cking coward story. <calmer> You didnt know that, but you still jumped the bloody gun.  

William blake
Dulce et Decorum est  pro patria more'
That is a load of sh1t.

[Kosh]

ugh, patriotism

Not merely that, but also selfishness with a good dose of stupidity.

I spent six bloody years in the f*ckin army, from 99 to last april, 9 months in bloody IRAQ, and I have EARNED The right to bloody sit it out,

No one "sits it out" in a real war. You are just fighting on a different front.

[Turambar]

its an outdated concept, and it just happens to be really bad when your particular nation is the bad guy

[aldo_14]

For F*CK SAKE!!!
I spent six bloody years in the f*ckin army, from 99 to last april, 9 months in bloody IRAQ, and I have EARNED The right to bloody sit it out, DONT you dare preach the f*cking coward story. <calmer> You didnt know that, but you still jumped the bloody gun. 

William blake
Dulce et Decorum est  pro patria more'
That is a load of sh1t.

Do you want soldiers to die?

[Colonol Dekker]

No one "sits it out" in a real war. You are just fighting on a different front.

You can never understand how completely wrong with regards to my case you are....

ALDO, I could wring your neck slowly for asking that, of course i dont,..........
End this now..........

[aldo_14]

ALDO, I could wring your neck slowly for asking that, of course i dont,..........
End this now..........

Well, you say you support all war by this country regardless of how unjustified, illegal or unecessary it is, and soldiers die in war, so I think it's a very valid question to ask.  Especially as I'd like you to clarify what you mean by
"William blake
Dulce et Decorum est  pro patria more'
That is a load of sh1t. "

[Colonol Dekker]

Translated = It is just and right, to die for ones/your country.   <<<is a load of ****........

Five or six years ago i was all death or glory, i would have agreed with him.
But its just a waste of life in the end , so NO i do not want soldiers to die..
Sorry for the confusion in my prior posts, but im a bit wound up..... (wants to get some hard liqour down his neck )signs off(

[Janos]

Define "your country going to war without you".

I tell you what mate if brains were dynamite you couldn't blow a f*cking envelope open!!!!!!!
 

why did they let you in the army anyways :3

[Janos]

Translated = It is just and right, to die for ones/your country.   <<<is a load of ****........

Five or six years ago i was all death or glory, i would have agreed with him.
But its just a waste of life in the end , so NO i do not want soldiers to die..
Sorry for the confusion in my prior posts, but im a bit wound up..... (wants to get some hard liqour down his neck )signs off(

If you do not want the soldiers to die, then why just blindly support any kind of war where soldiers, you know, die? (If you would blindly support a war, I am not quite following your logic sometimes)?

Take your time

[Colonol Dekker]

No-ones asking you to. This is all relative to the Self abuse thread, Why the hell do people wanna get in each others heads???


If you dont understand my persona based on a few ill chosen paragraphs of text on a website dedicated to a computer game... Tough.

No-One asked you to

This has span out of control like a blind dyke in a fishmongers, Please can we drop my fu@king opinion as the subject of conversation.

[Janos]

No-ones asking you to. This is all relative to the Self abuse thread, Why the hell do people wanna get in each others heads???


If you dont understand my persona based on a few ill chosen paragraphs of text on a website dedicated to a computer game... Tough.

No-One asked you to

This has span out of control like a blind dyke in a fishmongers, Please can we drop my fu@king opinion as the subject of conversation.

I seriously cannot keep up with you. I have no idea what your stance is because it seems to change almost randomly every now and then. If someone asks you a question it's quite approriate to answer said question, then give arguments and counterarguments and actually define your stance etc. rather than dodge some questions and then flip out (strawman flipouts are awesome, btw).

Your opinion became the context and the heart of this thread somewhere around page 5 when you said your cheerleading line, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. If you say things in the internet, especially in this kind of thread, then what do you except?

[aldo_14]

Translated = It is just and right, to die for ones/your country.   <<<is a load of ****........

Five or six years ago i was all death or glory, i would have agreed with him.
But its just a waste of life in the end , so NO i do not want soldiers to die..
Sorry for the confusion in my prior posts, but im a bit wound up..... (wants to get some hard liqour down his neck )signs off(

Right, I was thinking you were talking about Wilfred Owens' poem there.

[Tyrian]

An aside:  I'm suprised I didn't get any flak for my post at the top of page 4.  I guess my point was that every nation has skeletons in their closet, no matter how much good they do.  Should have been clearer...My bad.  That's what I get for posting on a complicated topic after a tiring day...

@Janos -- I'm having trouble following this too.  I think I'm going to drop out of this discussion.

[IceFire]

Keep it civil folks.  Please.  Its a worthwhile discussion without the personal attacks.

[Flipside]

To say America is alone in the misbehaviour of it's troops would be inaccurate, I think the difference lay mainly in how it is dealt with. The US seem to be giving every appearance of burying it's head in the sand, or possibly even condoning it.

As an example with UN forces...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/081zxelz.asp

Admittedly, that's a very old (and biased) article, it's given as an example that these things happen everywhere more than anything else.

[Turambar]

i just saw the head marines general dude on the news
he actually -took responsibility- and -apologized-

if only the rest of the leadership in this country had that kind of integrity...
thumbs up to head marines general dude

[Kosh]

i just saw the head marines general dude on the news
he actually -took responsibility- and -apologized-

if only the rest of the leadership in this country had that kind of integrity...
thumbs up to head marines general dude

Keep in mind they did this only after the cover-up was blown.

[AlphaOne]

If it would of done so before their cover up was blown then it woukld of been a curageos act and a damn good one. But still its a lot better then what the politicians do.

Also I admit that such things have happened many times in the past but the core of the problem is that instead of acting against such acts like some of the other coutries at least give the impresion of dooing the US is actualy triing to legitimize abuse and torture and other things like that.

That mi friends is what makes it worse then anything else. I'm not tring to point the finger at the US soldiers alone here as the spawn of satan as someone said before.

I'm just tring to point a finger the only country (that i know of at least) that actualy is triing to make such conduct legal and justified. Were not talking about china or North Corea or god knows what other totalitarian regime, where talking about a democracy and a country that waged wars suposetly for against opression and thing like these.

[Sandwich]

Can someone sum things up for me?