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Offline TrashMan

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Re: Civil war in Palestine?
Reply #40 on: June 13, 2006, 05:06:14 pm
Yeah, but the Israelis cann't clame the land on the sole pretense that it was theirs 1000 years ago.
It was 1000 years ago, different people live there now and made it THEIR home.

they can't ask/take it back no more then Croatia can do the same with BiH
 (just to make it clear - BIH was part of Croatai until lthe turkish invasions. The populace living there are mostly decendants of croats who lived there, they still speak the same language. But hte religion and culture have changed somewhat and they don't consider themselves part of Croatia anymore so one cannot force them. period)

I jsut wonder of the western forces would have been so generous with territory for a Jewish state if ti was taken out of THEIR teritory.. Yeah, I can allready immagine Israel insted of Texas... :lol:
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Re: Civil war in Palestine?
Reply #41 on: June 13, 2006, 05:28:50 pm
It was taken out of their territory, TrashMan.  Palestine was not independent when modern Israel was founded.  It's great to take a stab at the US for the hell of it I see, but come on.  And the Middle East is by no means innocent in their role in creating the current situation; they've got as much legacy of interference in Israeli affairs as the entire western world combined.  Israel's not the good guy in this scenario, but the point is that no one is.  No one will look past the retaliation to work towards a peaceful solution, and that's the problem.  The Palestinians aren't just fighting for their freedom, they are fighting to hurt their opressors out of spite.  That's not the way to a solution.
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Re: Civil war in Palestine?
Reply #42 on: June 13, 2006, 05:36:21 pm
Quote from: Turambar on June 13, 2006, 05:04:20 pm
similar effect though

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Re: Civil war in Palestine?
Reply #43 on: June 13, 2006, 05:39:41 pm
Quote from: StratComm on June 13, 2006, 05:28:50 pm
It was taken out of their territory, TrashMan.  Palestine was not independent when modern Israel was founded.  It's great to take a stab at the US for the hell of it I see, but come on.  And the Middle East is by no means innocent in their role in creating the current situation; they've got as much legacy of interference in Israeli affairs as the entire western world combined.  Israel's not the good guy in this scenario, but the point is that no one is.  No one will look past the retaliation to work towards a peaceful solution, and that's the problem.  The Palestinians aren't just fighting for their freedom, they are fighting to hurt their opressors out of spite.  That's not the way to a solution.

I remember, I think, that the British observer in what-would-become-Israel noted that the Palestinians at that time appeared to have no desire for an independent state.  Of course, I support self-determination, so I don't think it should have any bearing in resolving the conflict nowadays, but it is an interesting historical nugget.
 

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Re: Civil war in Palestine?
Reply #44 on: June 13, 2006, 05:48:44 pm
Quote from: Sandwich on June 13, 2006, 05:36:21 pm
Quote from: Turambar on June 13, 2006, 05:04:20 pm
similar effect though

I stand corrected. Do you still want to nuke me?

i never suggested nuking israel,  i got different plans for peace  (nobody ever thinks it'll work, though :-( )
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Re: Civil war in Palestine?
Reply #45 on: June 13, 2006, 10:16:01 pm
Well, I'm not even going into my opinion of statements like 'omg! They're so violent! Let's Nuke them to hell!'....for obvious reasons.
 

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Re: Civil war in Palestine?
Reply #46 on: June 13, 2006, 11:24:17 pm
Isreal and Palistine need a common enemy.  That always seems to calm conflicts down a bit.  All be it only temporarily.
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Re: Civil war in Palestine?
Reply #47 on: June 13, 2006, 11:32:13 pm
I think you mean Israel and Palestine.  Pakistan isn't exactly a neighbor to the Israeli state.
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Re: Civil war in Palestine?
Reply #48 on: June 13, 2006, 11:34:15 pm
Let's have the Six-Day-War again or something, then.
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Re: Civil war in Palestine?
Reply #49 on: June 13, 2006, 11:40:17 pm
Heh, no matter what you anyone thinks of Israel, you have to admit, they fight better than most mid-east states (in conventional war) I still can't get over the fact that they destroyed the Egyptian air force on the ground because of the Egyptian leaderships incompitence.
 

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Re: Civil war in Palestine?
Reply #50 on: June 13, 2006, 11:43:16 pm
Quote from: Turambar on June 13, 2006, 05:48:44 pm
Quote from: Sandwich on June 13, 2006, 05:36:21 pm
I stand corrected. Do you still want to nuke me?

i never suggested nuking israel,  i got different plans for peace  (nobody ever thinks it'll work, though :-( )

Oops - my bad. Apologies! :o

Anyway, let's hear them; nobody thinks my plans for peace will work either, but that's probably because they're likely to bring the world down around our ears as soon as bring peace. :p
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Re: Civil war in Palestine?
Reply #51 on: June 13, 2006, 11:43:53 pm
Quote from: StratComm on June 13, 2006, 11:32:13 pm
I think you mean Israel and Palestine.  Pakistan isn't exactly a neighbor to the Israeli state.

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Re: Civil war in Palestine?
Reply #52 on: June 13, 2006, 11:44:14 pm
I'm thinking that if Abbas' referndum goes through, and Israel pulls out of some of its more remote West Bank settlements and bunkers down the rest, as Olmert is planning to, we could have something approaching final borders. At least final borders as far as everyone except the Palestinians are concerned, because, quite honestly, it's not like anyone cares what they think.
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