[aldo_14]

This is getting quite pathetic, really.

[Ghostavo]

Kazan, he does deserve the red.

[Kazan]

yeah, you and your pathetic denials that it was a makeup call

yellow card perhaps

red totally unjustified - they aren't handing out straight reds for much worse tackles

he was .5 second late and caught the guy with one boot

yeah - it's ****ing pathetic that you guys are trying to rewrite the ****ing rulebook just for one damn game



bull**** ghostavo!look at the rest of the ****ing calls for that SAME ****ING TACKLE AND WORSE in this not being ****ing reds

you are a bunch of blind ass hypocritical pro-inconsitent calling dumbasses

seriously

[Ghostavo]

Wow... you kiss your wife with that mouth?

Anyway, I agree with the guy you called blind, those should have been red as well.

And football rules are somewhat strange with their execution. That's why I prefer chess.

[aldo_14]

Ah well, you can see what I mean.  So much strange, blind rage after so long.   Tragic, really.

[Shade]

Wow, is this still being debated? Oh well, here we go again I guess. The ref was completely correct in giving out that red. If other refs are not giving reds for worse offenses, they are the ones in the wrong... but aside from the first red of that match, I haven't seen any worse offenses yet in the matches I've watched (and I've only missed three so far).

Facts are simple: He did not hit the ball... not even close in fact. He hit the ancle studs first with a sliding tackle (This is not debatable anymore, not after the replays became available online. Just look at the frame I posted with the exact place marked with a red circle showing the point of contact). The tackle was dangerous as hell. And that, according to the FIFA guidelines, has to give a straight red. No ifs, no buts, just a red card. We are not misinterpreting the rules - you are.

And we also mostly happen to be not Americans, not Italians, and thus not biased. As said before, none of us have any vested interest in that game but the entertainment value (which was considerable), except for you - and the other Americans on this board... most of whom seem to agree with us. We even mostly agree the Americans played a great game. But the ref did not decide the outcome.

[Kazan]

Facts are simple: He did not hit the ball... not even close in fact. He hit the ancle studs first with a sliding tackle (This is not debatable anymore, not after the replays became available online. Just look at the frame I posted with the exact place marked with a red circle showing the point of contact). The tackle was dangerous as hell. And that, according to the FIFA guidelines, has to give a straight red. No ifs, no buts, just a red card. We are not misinterpreting the rules - you are.

you're blind

he was 0.5 seconds late - he made contact with the ball clearly indicated by a changei n direction with the ball, he made contact with boot and then his foot slid up to the ankle - ONE FOOD CONTACT

dangerous play and therefore yellow card - yes
red card NO

and BS according to fifa guidelines that is NOT a red - if it was from behind it would have been, but it wasn't from behind

that SAME REF even is only handing out yellows for worse versions of that offense in other matches


it was an inconsistent with the rules and inconsistent with the rest of the tournament call flat out

[Kazan]

Ah well, you can see what I mean.  So much strange, blind rage after so long.   Tragic, really.

strange? your country gets two bogus red cards in one match and puts you into a position where your own fate isn't in your own hands alone and you call it strange?

neither of eddie's cards were justified, straight red was not justified for pablo - plain and simple no if-ands-or-buts about it

blind rage? my rage is pretty directed - directed at anyone who cannot equally apply the rulebook to the american team and the rest of the teams in the tournament as evidenced by everyone arguing here that pablo's straight red was justified when even the ref that issued it is giving only yellows for more severe offenses of late sliding tackles in other matches

[aldo_14]

Capitals, eh?  Remember to put them at the start of sentences as well as THE MIDDLE of them.  Oh, and I've heard that bold, red or _underscore_ surrounded text is considered an accepted method of communicating in the internet, making you seem a well reasoned, logical and polife individual who is not shouting like a loony by any means.

EDIT; whoops, I see we have the bold.

[Shade]

Guess this bears repeating, then. Care to explain to me what exactly is going on in this picture? Points of interest, namely foot/ancle contact and distance between ball and foot marked for your convenience.

[Kazan]

Guess this bears repeating, then. Care to explain to me what exactly is going on in this picture? Points of interest, namely foot/ancle contact and distance between ball and foot marked for your convenience.

care to read what i actually typed before blindly defending a referee who cannot even consistently make the same call?

came in 0.5 second late, initial contact was foot to foot but his foot slid up - yellow card at most

not a single straight red has been issued for that same tackle or even worse versions of it (ronadlo's cleat marks on his leg anyone?) in any other match in this tournament including matches reffed by the same guy

[Kazan]

hey aldo it may help if you actually pay attention to what i'm saying you bloody wanker 

[aldo_14]

Guess this bears repeating, then. Care to explain to me what exactly is going on in this picture? Points of interest, namely foot/ancle contact and distance between ball and foot marked for your convenience.

Well, quite clearly the Italian is cheating, by ruthlessly driving his ankle into Mastroenis' completely innocently outstretched leg, which is in no way a lunge and has clearly curved round Pirlos leg, hit the ball, before snapping back into position as we see here.

Oh, and **** bloody etc etc nonsense rambling big sweary words etc etc.

[Kazan]

hey aldo if you cannot actually address what i said then you're clearly admit that you have no answer to it

simple facts of World Cup 2006 is that much worse sliding tackles than pablo's are not getting red cards - even from the same referee

[Shade]

There was foot to foot contact, certainly - It was his left foot that hit the boot. His right foot hit directly on the ancle, as evidenced by the replays linked a couple of times on this thread already. It is so blatantly obvious from the videos in fact that I cannot fathom how you can't see it, even with national bias and all (which, lets face it, we're all vulnerable to when our teams play no matter how well meaning we are).

[Kazan]

it was 1 foot contact not two foot contact, how can you not see that


how do you ignore the fact that much worse versions of the same challenge are not given red cards in any other match in this world cup, including by the same ref

[aldo_14]

hey aldo if you cannot actually address what i said then you're clearly admit that you have no answer to it

simple facts of World Cup 2006 is that much worse sliding tackles than pablo's are not getting red cards - even from the same referee

Ok.

You're clearly biased, blind to the obvious facts in front of you as expressed by not just everyone here but myriads of professional, paid pundits, and shouting like a combination of a drunk idiot and a toddler pouting in the corner replate with insulting everyone with the audacity to show up your egotistic, arrogant and downright wrong position.  The very fact you are coming back to this 3 days later, simply because some similarly biased individuals might agree, is both pathetic and hilarious.

EDIT; sorry nuetral and sane peeps, I just couldn't hold it in any longer.  That's my piece said.  I've not doubt something suitably sweary and purply faced - perhaps with a spittle flecked keyboard action - will follow in response.

[Blaise Russel]

hey aldo if you cannot actually address what i said then you're clearly admit that you have no answer to it

Yeah. Careful, aldo, or Kazan might 'win.'

[Kazan]

yeah and the paid pundits that say it was the wrong call are also wrong right eh? and all the refs, including the guy who made the call, are wrong when they sanction more severe dangerous slides with only yellows

give it up - it was a bad call, even this same ref isn't making that same call in other matches for far more dangerous sliding tackles

[aldo_14]

Impressively measured.  Little too much bold, though.  Implies truth rather than the actual opinion that it is.