[Turambar]

wait.. why move the people that were there in the first place?

move the israelis, theyve only been there (actually been there) for about 60 years, just pick them up and move them, and leave the palestinians alone.

[vyper]

Yes because giving the militant muslim community in the middle east a victory is such a sane strategy...

[Turambar]

"LETS GO BOMB THE US!!!!!"

"nah, i mean, they gave us our land back, maybe theyre not so bad.  im just gonna go watch tv."

[Rictor]

Turambar, every country that exists today was founded on kicking out the previous occupants and taking their lands. Most of Europe has changed hands two doezen times in the past two millenia. Same thing for the Middle East and (AFAIK) Asia. Every North and South American country exists only due to a wholesale slaughter of the locals.

If we're going to go by who took what from whom, there is hardly a single country today that wouldn't be radically, radically altered, some destryoed and some new ones formed.

[IPAndrews]

"nah, i mean, they gave us our land back, maybe theyre not so bad.  im just gonna go watch tv."

  Unfortunately they don't think like that. As long as you are alive they will try and kill you. Bottom line.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

And who's going to stop Israelis killing Palestinians?

Palestinians and other arabs will by dismantling the terrorist infrastructure and stopping to feed their people anti-semitic propaganda. Arabs need to accept that Israel is there to stay, and that the jews will not be run into the sea and that they will not live as a second-class minority in a muslim country.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

wait.. why move the people that were there in the first place?

move the israelis, theyve only been there (actually been there) for about 60 years, just pick them up and move them, and leave the palestinians alone.

silly man, there have been jews in that spot for at least 2500 years, continuously. It's not because there was no state of Israel or because there was a diaspora that ALL jews were moved from the region.

[Fear]

wait.. why move the people that were there in the first place?

move the israelis, theyve only been there (actually been there) for about 60 years, just pick them up and move them, and leave the palestinians alone.

3 pages ago, i talked about people who dont deserve to comment on this subject, you just fit exactly to my describtion.
just stfu.

[Sarafan]

South American country exists only due to a wholesale slaughter of the locals.

From 2-3 million down to only 100.000 today (and that's only on my country), I swear if only South America had enough time to develop, the best example to explain the whole thing: the aztecs had astrology and matemathics while the spanish and portuguese simply had gun powder.

[aldo_14]

wait.. why move the people that were there in the first place?

move the israelis, theyve only been there (actually been there) for about 60 years, just pick them up and move them, and leave the palestinians alone.

3 pages ago, i talked about people who dont deserve to comment on this subject, you just fit exactly to my describtion.
just stfu.

I wasn't aware we lived in a world where it was ok for people to dictate what others could and could not say.

Ah, wait.

We don't.

[karajorma]

Palestinians and other arabs will by dismantling the terrorist infrastructure and stopping to feed their people anti-semitic propaganda. Arabs need to accept that Israel is there to stay, and that the jews will not be run into the sea and that they will not live as a second-class minority in a muslim country.

While I agree with the second half I'm wondering why you can't see that the first half is pretty much impossible while Israel continues to use collective punishment as a tactic.

[Fear]

Its true aldo, though in that spesfic case i find idiotic comments like his offensive.
Beside, you knew why i commented that way, and if you didnt find his comment unhelpful/retarded/offensive and even repulsive to some people you are an idiot yourself. And i know you aren't,so that lead me to one conclusion only, stop spamming.

[aldo_14]

Its true aldo, though in that spesfic case i find idiotic comments like his offensive.
Beside, you knew why i commented that way, and if you didnt find his comment unhelpful/retarded/offensive and even repulsive to some people you are an idiot yourself. And i know you aren't,so that lead me to one conclusion only, stop spamming.

Right.  In 1 post there you've managed to prove my point, insult not one but two people, and attempt to force your opinion onto me. 

Personally, I find the concept of deciding who and who cannot comment on this situation, on the basis of your own personal opinions and biases, to be repulsive.  There's been plenty of other non-helpful and indeed downright hateful comments made on the pro-Israeli side, yet I don't seem to recall you condemning those people as not being 'worthy' of commenting.

[Fear]

Im acctually using your suggestion now, i wont hold back when i would like to spam someone or make a comments that are unhelpful to most of society, because we dont live in a world where it is okay for peope to "dictate what others could and could not say".

[aldo_14]

Im acctually using your suggestion now, i wont hold back when i would like to spam someone or make a comments that are unhelpful to most of society, because we dont live in a world where it is okay for peope to "dictate what others could and could not say".

And in what way is his comment more unhelpful than moving the Palestinians?  Why has it been selected above all others as 'unhelpful'?

[Fear]

Because,i wasnt aware about the other posts.

[Turambar]

always fun to watch people who disagree with me pass off my comments as idiotic and dismiss them without even thinking about them.  it happens actually.  unfortunately, i know that there's pretty much no way to change someone's mind once they get in that phase.  it's quite self perpetuating (in religion threads, its called 'faith').  but anyways. 

...


I disagree!  *drives off quickly*


ok, i'll explain my point of view.  i have nothing against jews.  i dont care if they live in that area.  the thing that i really dont like is the nation.  the nation of israel is the big problem.  true, the US was founded on the wholesale slaughter of native americans, and they all were diseased and driven off their lands so that i can live in north raleigh, but that was hundreds of years ago.  the creation of israel was much more recent, right after we had gotten rid of the really bad folks running germany, and the world should have gone to peaceful and reasonable ways of doing things.  i would have no problem if the jews had moved in, set up a joint government, and coexisted.  they had coexisted with muslims there for hundreds of years.  instead, they resorted to terrorism to gain control of the area from the british, and then forced hundreds of thousands, even millions of palestinians off of their land and out of their homes.  then, on top of it, they act indignant when they get pissed off.  its kind of difficult to have peace when things started off on that kind of note.  the attitude in israel hasnt changed either.  to the government (whoever makes up their tactics) any arab is a second class person, and they let it show when they take out a power station and bridges in order to stop three men and a prisoner.  i'll rant some more later.  if its too much text, let me know and i'll put in some paragraphs.

[aldo_14]

Because,i wasnt aware about the other posts.

So are you condemning them as well, then?

[Fear]

Turambar i ceritanly like your attitude, you take nothing personally and its fine.
Though maybe the reason that people think your posts are idiotic is because they are? i mean even in your explaintion you write about the native american and the you as an example, but u assume since it happend like 300 hundred years ago its ok? and israel occupy palestian isnt? newsflash m8, same thing.
Hmm sure i can now go and arguie about history with you, the thing is i really dont care your knowladge in the middle-east history, and you need to correct it yourself, just to tip you though. right after the war ,its the u.s goverment who order (harrison report i think?) britan to approve immigration to Israel to 100k survivors that were left in eroupe. Then the U.N decided to dvide israel by the following order: 32% to the arabs,68% to the jews,but because it was the U.N decision britan felt no obligation to help the dividing program, and took off pretty quickly while they absolutly rejecting using force to calm down both arabs and jews. the thing is, the new israelis accepted the u.n program, and the arabs completley rejected and started attacking israelis vilages,which later be names as the independce war. You blame easily the jews while you can blame any nation that were involved here at that time. you also blame israel goverment in treating arabs as a second class people, i cant say it doesnt true though, it probably does but you cant blame israel on that aswell, they are religous/educationaly disconnected by thier on choise, they completly hate israel as a goverment and would preffer(obviously) an arab goverment, and i say you cant reject & dislike something and expected to recive benfits from it aswell,although i strongly belive that israel is doing its best in improving the arab life-quality. In the 30's by the way there was a suggestion about one country that both arabs and jews will be there togther, the arabs rejected it aswell.

Aldo back to you, yes i will condemn them aswell, you use such a strong words which i completly dont agree with them, i wont kill them for that, i just think they are stupid enough to be completly ignored and even deleted before anyone else will see the stupidity and get infected by it.

[aldo_14]

um.... paragraphs, please?