[Sarafan]

Sarafan: You miss the part about they didn't engage the Sathanas group in Capella? They were busy trying to defend the evac efforts.

They did engaged the first Sathanas and that one alone already pulverized a good chunk of the fleet.

[Mars]

Vasudans finally cracked beam technology during reconstruction. It is presumed during Silent Threat that the GTI was attempting, but there is no evidence to confirm or deny that they were successful.

So why is it the Hades was armed with Shivan Super Lasers?

[Mobius]

Strike / Light / Standard / Heavy / Assault

RE: TItle question. . . . .

If every ship had beams the Lucy would seem less special (apart from the infinty shield it had)

I've already told this.

Sarafan: You miss the part about they didn't engage the Sathanas group in Capella? They were busy trying to defend the evac efforts.

They did engaged the first Sathanas and that one alone already pulverized a good chunk of the fleet.

No,if you destroy its forwars beams in bearbaiting

Vasudans finally cracked beam technology during reconstruction. It is presumed during Silent Threat that the GTI was attempting, but there is no evidence to confirm or deny that they were successful.

So why is it the Hades was armed with Shivan Super Lasers?

Because V boys used a time machine,checked which weanonry the Hades has in The SouthernCross, then returned and inserted it in Silent Threat.

[karajorma]

Actually the sath destroys a good portion of the fleet before Bearbaiting.

[Mars]

Poor 3_rd fleet, they tooks some pretty horrendus losses.

[Dark Hunter]

Yeah, maybe... but if you think about it the GTVA losses weren't all that high, when compared to the Great War.
The 3^rd Fleet, the 13^th Vasudan Battlegroup (is that the right number?), and the Colossus. They were the only fleets that took heavy losses, the rest weren't involved at all. Also, the death of several million Capellans is absolutely nothing compared to Vasuda Prime.

[Mars]

What about... what was it... the 6^th fleet in Epsilon Pegasi, and I imagine the 4^th fleet in Vega took significant losses. 12^th of Wolf 359 was pretty safe though

[NGTM-1R]

The impression one gets is that the GTVA, once they discovered how many juggernauts were coming, threw in everything (including the kitchen sink) in the hopes they would be able to at least delay long enough to evac some civilians. Certainly they implied that there was nothing left to stop them if you let anybody in red through the Vega node.

[Dark Hunter]

I think the implication was that nothing would be able to stop the Sathanases, the main Shivan armada would still admittedly be difficult. They never give numbers, but they say the Shivans are "pouring into Gamma Draconis". If we figure that each of the 80 juggernauts has a sizable accompanying fleet, then we're talking over a hundred destroyers, many more corvettes and cruisers, and possibly millions of fighters and bombers.


I seem to have contradicted my own argument. 

You're right nothing the GTVA had could possibly have stopped that force.

[Colonol Dekker]

Except Alpha 1 or possibly the Giant Subspace chicken of old spacelore............

[Mars]

Anybody have 1 million kills yet?

[Colonol Dekker]

Sweet grud, That was random........I miss the PXO stats, i swear i was one Ulysses kill away from going up a rank when Squadwar went deadded.....

[OMFG PWNT]

sathanas is quite easy if you've got a lilith and a bomber wing with stilleto and aketon (dont make the sathanas go head on with lilith and see for yourself). if only gtva ships are to be used then go with sobek, although im not sure if it can survive

[Dark Hunter]

Better than a Lilith, use Axem's Lamia-class cruiser. That thing has waaay too powerful a forward gun, it'll put the Sathanas to rest!

[OMFG PWNT]

ive just returned from my lastest damage reduction (dr) tests, this time more technical. each ship has a thing called flag which determines its dr, if we consider only fighting capital ships, theres cruiser corvette capital and supercap. cruiser corvette capital flags dont take any dr watever weap you use, and you can kill it with any weap too. supercap takes about 50% dr from your weaps, and becomes immune to primary once its hp is below 75%. then theres a thing called big damage. basically it mass reduce damage (something like reducing 99% of your proper damage) from primary and non bomb missiles (not including semibomb outlined below) and the dr approaches 100% as the hp of the ship approach 10%, then it become immune. however bombs and semi bombs (infryno piranha emp and trebechet) can kill ships with big damage, but semibombs cant harm ships with supercap once its hp is below 75%. sathanas (which has supercap + big damage) takes exactly 40% dr from your bombs (cyclops helios and rebel bomb) confirmed this time. all beams that cant be fired at a fighter can kill any combination of flags

[Hippo]

We know that already ...

[Snail]

sathanas is quite easy if you've got a lilith and a bomber wing with stilleto and aketon (dont make the sathanas go head on with lilith and see for yourself). if only gtva ships are to be used then go with sobek, although im not sure if it can survive

A person in a spacesuit with a handgun can destroy the Sath if he/she attacks from the the right vector.

[Mobius]

sathanas is quite easy if you've got a lilith and a bomber wing with stilleto and aketon (dont make the sathanas go head on with lilith and see for yourself). if only gtva ships are to be used then go with sobek, although im not sure if it can survive

A person in a spacesuit with a handgun can destroy the Sath if he/she attacks from the the right vector.

That's fun.

[Snail]

Granted, if he/she had a gun that fires rounds which have the "huge" flag, then the Jug would be destroyed, even if it does take a rapeload of bullets and time.

[Mars]

A person in a spacesuit with a handgun can destroy the Sath if he/she attacks from the the right vector.

Nah, Shivans don't need spacesuits or guns, and I have a feeling that there are a fair number on a Sathanas. The guy in the space suit would lose royaly.