[Goober5000]

Colossus v. Lucifer seems fun! It'll be hilarous to watch one or the other get pounded...

Already tried it.  There's no contest; the Colossus pulverizes the Lucifer.

Yes, this is the FS1 armed version.

[Flipside]

I guess that doesn't surprise me, as that what it was designed to do, but it's good to see that it holds true in game as well

[Snail]

happens what when put bfred on lucifer?

[Mobius]

happens what when put bfred on lucifer?

I tried with the Inferno SCP Lucifer(it has lready the BFRed).One Lucy is pulverized,two Lucy destroy the Colossus whithout being destroyed.

[Bob-san]

Also remember the HP differences between Lucy and Colly...

Lucy = 800 000

Colly = 1 000 000

Its rather hard for a Colly to take down over two destroyers at a time. It gets pounded most of the time when theres more then 2.

[Mobius]

The hitpoints on Superdestroyers are odd...
I mean,they're 150% a destroyer in dimensions but most time they have 8 times the hitpoints of a destroyer,200.000 hp and they reach the Juggernaut configuration...Odd...

[Bob-san]

Yes, a bit odd...

[Mobius]

...and no hope of changing it.

[Polpolion]

Yeah, quite basically...

I'll probably organize them in the biggest wings I can...

I remember seeing a wing with 6 on it... I wonder if there is a setting for 12-to-a-wing... probably not.

If anyone can find any documentation of the limits of the engine... tell me please. I will start doing a number of missions with different matchups.

The current list...

Challenger v. Challenged = Predicted Outcome
Colossus + f&b v. Sathanas + f&b = Colossus
Colossus + f&b v. 5 x Orion + f&b = Colossus
5 x Orion + f&b v. Sathansa + f&b = Sathansa
Colossus + f&b v. 5 x Ravana + f&b = Colossus
5 x Orion + f&b v. 5 x Ravana + f&b = Ravana
Colossus + f&b v. Lucifer + f&b = Colossus
Colossus + f&b v. 3 x Lucifer + f&b = Lucifer
Colossus + f&b v. 5 x Hecate + f&b = Colossus
Colossus + f&b v. 5 x Arcadia + f&b = Colossus
Colossus v. 20 x Mjolnir = Mjolnir?
Colossus v. 2 x Modified "Super" Lucifer = "Super" Lucifer ~1
5 x Hecate + f&b v. Sathanas + f&b = Hecate


I actually found the Colossus to be more then a match for a Sathanas. Why? Because! I did a part of the multiplayer campaign, and didn't disable any of the Sathanas's beams. It took on the Colossus undamaged, and the Colossus survived rather well! I think an undamaged Colossus can take about two Sathanas's in a fair fight.

I don't really think so :/  . The sathanas can take out 1 Orion destroyer with 1 BFred. The sathanas has 4 BFreds. The collosus has 1,000,000 hitpoints, and the Orion has 100,000. The Sathanas can take out a Collosus in 2 and a half full BFred salvos. It would take just about 1 munite and 45 seconds for a Sathanas to destroy a collosus in a battle (Alpha 1 not with standing). And the Hecate has 100,000 hitpoints too.


And there are 4 fighters to a (standard) wing, 3 (standard) wings to a squadron, and 12 fighters per squadron.

[Bob-san]

Ah whatever.... I'll still see about equal matching. It'll be my intro to FRED.

[Mobius]

thesizzler:You are giving for sure that those ships face the Sathanas in its front.
I repeat,in my campaign I have an Orion taking out a Sathanas by itself doing this way...which means that is possible.
In High Noon the Colossus,with a meneuver,makes the BFReds on the Sathanas being useless(I had it firing some SRed,however).
What could happen if the Colossus continues mvoing straight...

[TrashMan]

Not really - the Collie can take a pounding.

I actually edited the "thir Finest Hour" mission and made the Sathanas jump out closer to the Colossus (so it can fire).

Belive it or not, the Colle wen't down but it took out the Sath with it's final salvo
And it took the Sath 3 salvos to do the job (and hte Collie is damaged in that mission..around 60% hull)

[Mobius]

In its front the Colossus can use max 3 BFGreen,in Their Finest Hour all its side beams...pretty different....

[Bob-san]

For some reason, the Colle is more duriable then a Sathanas. If the Colossus somehow defeated a Sathanas that was headed directly for it, then there must be something we are all missing.

Are there any fighters or bombers near either the Colossus or Sathanas in Their Finest Hour?

[BS403]

...and no hope of changing it.

just make a sequel(hades super destroyer went from 800,000 to 400,000 from fs1 to fs2)
I'm not talking about that which may not be mentioned(the thing with a three)
edit: I put five orions against a collie it took um down and stayed at 21% with no other major damage.

[Bob-san]

What mode was everyone playing in? I find sometimes, depending on mode, stuff happens or doesn't. Such as, in Medium, the Colle's beams are actually more powerful then the Sathanas' beams, due to the changes in power due to difficulty level.

Try it on Medium, Hard, and Insane. That should give us a good estimate.

[Colonol Dekker]

  Please for the love of pete, Just make him a mssion..........

[Polpolion]

I suppose that it would be quite unlikely for the sathanas to fire all four beams at the excact same time   And the BFGreen only does about 200 initial damage less than the BFRed. But I doubt that the Sathanas would just stay there and take it if an orion was pounding it in the back shooting at it from behind. I would at the very least excpect it to jump out, and at most to micro-jump behind the Orion (so it can shoot it with BFReds).

[TrashMan]

Teh Collie having more firepower than 5 Orions??? That's a laugh!!

The Collie has 12 beam cannons. Each orion has 6. So that's 5x6=30 beam cannons!!!!!!!
Collie has firepower going for itself.

And against 5 Orions, even the Sath is in deeeeeeep s***!

[Mobius]

With a couple of BFReds an Orion go down,the Sathanas has four of them and they recharge VERY SHORTLY.
There's another thing you didn't think about.
1)Did you checked if sometimes,during your test missions,some beams missed their target or inflicted light damage(light the Slashes)?
2)You placed the ships in order to bring as many beams as possible to bear?