[Polpolion]

I don't do a test mission, I just made a very educated guess.

1) The shivans don't have any slash beams.

2) A Sathanas can kill almost anything in it's primary beam fire solution except for multiple collosusses.



@trashman: A Sathans can eat 5 orions for lunch.

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EDIT: cool there is someone on my side now    \/   I can change my post back.

[NGTM-1R]

The Sathanas ate a Hecate alive with one volley, and did damage to spare.

IIRC Kara actually tested this once, a Sath's first volley will go through four out of five Orions in a row.

[Colonol Dekker]

Aggg, I'll make a mission tonight, and post it tomorrow, No value or weapon edits, just plain and simple 5 Legobricks Vs One Shotgun......

[TrashMan]

The Sathanas ate a Hecate alive with one volley, and did damage to spare.

IIRC Kara actually tested this once, a Sath's first volley will go through four out of five Orions in a row.

What idiot attacks a sath with it's whole fleet arrayed infornt of him?

Encircle the sath with Orions. the first one wil lgo down pronto, but the Sath will need time to turn and blast hte others...

And if you order them to attack eachother, at least one Orion will allways stay at the Saths flank. The sath will try to move away, but hte Orion will follow. As hte Sath tries to turn to face him the Orion will close and the Sath wil ltry to pull out again.

I know coause I tested this.

ONE Orion destroyed a Sath when it jumped on it's flank!!!

[Colonol Dekker]

Surely an Orbit the Sath technique will work, If you imagine the LEGOrions orbiting the Z-axis around the Saths midsection.

On second thoughts, i cant be bothered with the hassle of going to indepth on this one, So i'm gonna do a standard noob, 5 Orions 1 Colly/Sath, No jump entry, Just whack Alt+Y and the Beans will unlock..........

[Goober5000]

IIRC Kara actually tested this once, a Sath's first volley will go through four out of five Orions in a row.

Hmm.  I tested it just last night and it only skewered three Orions, partially damaging a fourth.  Is that what you meant?

[aldo_14]

The Sathanas ate a Hecate alive with one volley, and did damage to spare.

IIRC Kara actually tested this once, a Sath's first volley will go through four out of five Orions in a row.

What idiot attacks a sath with it's whole fleet arrayed infornt of him?

The idiot who gets attacked by the Sathanas jumping in first........

[karajorma]

ONE Orion destroyed a Sath when it jumped on it's flank!!!

In a mission where the Sathanas only rotated on the XZ plane and kept rotating the exact same direction the entire mission no doubt.  

Have you tried in a mission where both the Sathanas and the Orion aren't making simple scripted movements? Cause the first thing any sensible juggernaut captain would do when confronted with the situation you describe is change the direction of rotation knowing that the destroyer would take nearly as long to make a 180 degree turn as it does.

[NGTM-1R]

Nevermind the Juggernaut's fighter complement.

[karajorma]

To be fair I'd expect 5 Orions to actually have more fighters than the Sathanas or at least enough to make that a fair fight.

[Kie99]

I made a mission once where 5 Orions ambushed a Sath by jumping in behind it.  The Sath jumped out and came in behind them, destroyed them in seconds.

[Mobius]

1) The shivans don't have any slash beams.

No,but Terran and Vasudan warships have them(Orion included).

I know coause I tested this.

ONE Orion destroyed a Sath when it jumped on it's flank!!!

Me too.Another thing in common,TM!!

[NGTM-1R]

To be fair I'd expect 5 Orions to actually have more fighters than the Sathanas or at least enough to make that a fair fight.

True enough; one hundred wings can probably overwhelm the Sathanas' fighter complement. But not the twenty a single Orion can carry, which was what I meant that as a commentary on. Since that seemed the current subject of discussion.

Even if you accept the propostion that the Sathanas has such a huge hanger to let it handle cargo or other ships and not fighters, I'd still expect 30+ wings to be its normal complement.

[Mobius]

Like the Typhon?
The Colossus has 60 wings housed on(in?) its fighterbay.If you see the MVE Colossus,you see that only a small space(compared to its size)is dedicated for housing fighters/bombers.
The Sathanas,thanks to its configuration and design,could have 90 wings or even more.During the Colossus movie,when the narrator says "And its crew number's over thirty thousand",we see parts of the hull evidenced with yellow or orange,full of activity and occupied by crew and officers.Who knows if the Sathanas needs a low crew number to work?Who knows if this can imcrease the dimension of its fighterbay?
-Sorry for my ugly English,I did my best to explain what this Star Dragonic Head has elaborated-

[Polpolion]

For the last time, does anyone really excpect a Sathanas to just sit there not moving at all and to let an single orion kill it? Could it possibly jump into a position where all ships are in it's fire arc?

Would you let a baby rip of your head? Or perhaps would a bear just let a hundred bees kill it? Would a Dolphin just let a shark kill it?
Would you let a 5 year old rape you?

[Colonol Dekker]

Only if she was born on a leap year...........

[Bob-san]

The point of a single Orion defeating the Sathanas is positioning. If the Orion jumps in about 1km-2km from the rear of a Sathanas, it will win because all of the SJ's effective weaponry is located on the front-most part of the ship.

Just as the Sathanas will try to turn and face the Orion doesn't mean that the Orion will leave the Sathanas' blind zone. If the Sathanas starts to turn while at complete stop, the Orion simply has to move to stay outside the fire arc. If the Sathanas wants to jump, the Orion follows it into subspace, where the SJ is even more vunerable! If the Sathanas tries to go max speed and outflank the Orion, it takes so long that the Orion probably destroyed the SJ already!

Remember in Subspace (which ironically called Hyperspace in fs2 missions, after looking into the files), capships can't really turn to face an opponent. The Orion will still be behind the SJ in subspace. If the SJ scrambles fighters+bombers, chances are that all wings inside the Orion will be destroyed. Still, in normal space, the Orion has of fighter defences. In subspace, it would be easier for the Orion to destroy the SJ's fighters+bombers since those ships have such a light hull

[TrashMan]

For the last time, does anyone really excpect a Sathanas to just sit there not moving at all and to let an single orion kill it? Could it possibly jump into a position where all ships are in it's fire arc?

Would you let a baby rip of your head? Or perhaps would a bear just let a hundred bees kill it? Would a Dolphin just let a shark kill it?
Would you let a 5 year old rape you?

It doesn't "let it".
The Sath can't do anything about it, as it simply can't get enough distance and turn since the Orion follows it.

The only thing it might try is the Colossus bat tactic - turning sharply to the side where the Orion is and collide with it - it's far from a vining tactic as the Orion can evade.

[Polpolion]

For the last time, does anyone really excpect a Sathanas to just sit there not moving at all and to let an single orion kill it? Could it possibly jump into a position where all ships are in it's fire arc?

Would you let a baby rip of your head? Or perhaps would a bear just let a hundred bees kill it? Would a Dolphin just let a shark kill it?
Would you let a 5 year old rape you?

It doesn't "let it".
The Sath can't do anything about it, as it simply can't get enough distance and turn since the Orion follows it.

The only thing it might try is the Colossus bat tactic - turning sharply to the side where the Orion is and collide with it - it's far from a vining tactic as the Orion can evade.

The point of a single Orion defeating the Sathanas is positioning. If the Orion jumps in about 1km-2km from the rear of a Sathanas, it will win because all of the SJ's effective weaponry is located on the front-most part of the ship.

Just as the Sathanas will try to turn and face the Orion doesn't mean that the Orion will leave the Sathanas' blind zone. If the Sathanas starts to turn while at complete stop, the Orion simply has to move to stay outside the fire arc. If the Sathanas wants to jump, the Orion follows it into subspace, where the SJ is even more vunerable! If the Sathanas tries to go max speed and outflank the Orion, it takes so long that the Orion probably destroyed the SJ already!

Remember in Subspace (which ironically called Hyperspace in fs2 missions, after looking into the files), capships can't really turn to face an opponent. The Orion will still be behind the SJ in subspace. If the SJ scrambles fighters+bombers, chances are that all wings inside the Orion will be destroyed. Still, in normal space, the Orion has of fighter defences. In subspace, it would be easier for the Orion to destroy the SJ's fighters+bombers since those ships have such a light hull

OH MY GOD!!! What part of "short jump" don't you understand? Orion jumps in, Sath jumps so it can shoot the orion, orions subspace drives are still recharging, Sathanas owns the orion. Jeez, are you guys THAT dumb?

[Nuclear1]

For the last time, does anyone really excpect a Sathanas to just sit there not moving at all and to let an single orion kill it? Could it possibly jump into a position where all ships are in it's fire arc?

Would you let a baby rip of your head? Or perhaps would a bear just let a hundred bees kill it? Would a Dolphin just let a shark kill it?
Would you let a 5 year old rape you?

It doesn't "let it".
The Sath can't do anything about it, as it simply can't get enough distance and turn since the Orion follows it.

The only thing it might try is the Colossus bat tactic - turning sharply to the side where the Orion is and collide with it - it's far from a vining tactic as the Orion can evade.

I have to agree with sizzler on this one (though not with the same wording--calm down there mate). The Sathanas won't simply sit there and let the Orion peck at it. If anything, it would launch bombers to damage or disable the Orion while it moves into position to take it out. The Sath has a pretty lethal LRed covering its rear as well; unless the Orion deals with this quickly, say, on the first shot, the Sathanas can do some very critical damage with a few salvos while the Orion is recharging. If it really comes to no LRed or fighter complement, the Sathanas will likely just jump further out, and then rotate once it is out of the Orion's beam range.