[Flipside]

There's a lot of feeling about this, nobody wants to make a mockery of the people who died, or make less of the fact that America was attacked, but there are also very definite hints that the whole thing has already been made a mockery of by being used to 'fix' things that were never broken, and make broken things worse.

I do sympathise with the American people, but will we have a day for Iraq, a day for Lebanon, a day for Afghanistan, we already have a day for Israel and the terrors of the holocaust, and now we have a day for the US, why shouldn't all countries that suffered losses not deserve a day of remembering?

[Hippo]

Will everyone just STFU already?  I'm tired of hearing about it.  Between 3 movies, several documentaries, and everybody and his brother throwing their unneeded 2 cents in, I wish the whole discussion would just go away.  Those who dont wish to STFU should just piss off and give the situation the peace it deserves.

where do you live?

and no, I will not shut up. It's us Americans who get things done, so we get the braggin' rights. . .

Ok, this post made me come on here just to reply to it.

Dear Mr. Spartan_0214:

Shut the **** up.

Sincerely, Unknown Target



Seriously little boy. I'm ****ing American and I'M tired of hearing this bull**** about 9/11. Get your head out of your asses America, and welcome to the rest of the ****ing world. Sure, it was a tragedy, I feel horrible for those who lost their lives in it, but the Cult of 9/11 (yes, I just coined that term) has got me absolutely pissed off. A lot of Americans (not all, mind you, as is obviously apparant) practically worship the tragedy of 9/11 - and when I say worship, I don't mean as in a good way, I mean it in the way where they are absolutely fanatical, and refuse to let everyone else forget about it,even though if they really want to make the world safer, they themselves have to move on from it.

I AM AMERICAN, AND I WANT THIS WORLD TO BE SAFE. I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO KEEP GOING ON ABOUT 9/11 AND EXPLOITING IT!

And another thing - that absolutely IDIOTIC three year old comment about "we're American and we get bragging rights" - I am so pissed off at that I feel like looking up your home adress and kicking your ass, pissing on your face, and then shoving your mangled body in front of the mothers of the thousands of other troops from the thousands of other countries who have lost their lives in their own fights, for good or bad, and make you SAY THAT TO THEM. Goddamnit, shut the **** up you ignorant little twat. It's people like you that are the reason the world hates us right now.

Hippo approves of UT's and Scuddies' message.










Let the god damn event go to our past. It was big once, and it was ok the first or maybe second aniversaries, but 5 years of this is stupid, repetative, and just needs to stop.



Mourning for 5 years is like being in high school for 5 years. It means you're retarded, or trashman. (or in parts of europe where theres 6 years of high school in which case you should imagine i said 7).




And heres a little info for everyone considering telling me to stfu too. I'm american. I'm a firefighter. On 9/11/01 343 firefighters died in the single mass firefighter death in modern times in the US. But they died doing their jobs, just like the NYPD that went into the tower to evacuate people, but they know as well as every firefighter on the face of this planet that their next call could be their last, and they dont question that. To drag up the fact that they died over and over and over is like showing graphic pictures of a crime at a trial, it does nothing but make the jury sick.

[Night Hammer]

spartan your ****ing stupid, honestly, the military gets stuff done, not you, go back to your junior high homework


Now I had a cousin who died in the 2nd tower(NYPD) and a brother and father who have both spent time in Iraq/Saudi, so yes this day still does matter to a whole lot of people, just because you werent directly affected by it doesnt mean thousands of other people werent. Have some compassion and stop being antiAmerican assholes, you know who you are some of you. To some people(including me) this is still a ****ty day 5 days later, and will probably be 10 years from now

[achtung]

I find Anti-Americanism to be a fad.

[Flipside]

To be honest, I find accusing people of being Anti-American is getting to be just as much of a fad.

[Bobboau]

you knew whe you clicked on the link you were going to see two types of people:
the 'We are the American here to save the world on our white horse of justice' people
and the 'you horable people let all those Africans starve to death' people
as big as the one group's head is the other group is just as bad, of course people will lean one way or the other and it won't seem that way, but it is.

[Kamikaze]

Yay for the day the media and the politicians mercilessly rape the memories of five thousand dead.

[Fury]

I think this topic should be locked before more flame ensues. Each person has their own way of remembering the day and dealing with it and others should respect that too.

[Sandwich]

Wow. You guys are pathetic. I mean, really, really pathetic. I'm tempted to shut HLP down for the day just because I don't want to hear any more pathetic babies whining, from either "side". Whatever happened to your pride at HLP being a place where we can hold civilized debates on inflammatory topics?

Pathetic.

[Fury]

Whatever happened to your pride at HLP being a place where we can hold civilized debates on inflammatory topics?

Civilized debates here? One of us has been living in a parallel universe.

[Sandwich]

Whatever happened to your pride at HLP being a place where we can hold civilized debates on inflammatory topics?

Civilized debates here? One of us has been living in a parallel universe.

Or perhaps just in the past.

[Fineus]

I know this is locked and I'm not going to unlock it for further comment - but I missed it while it was active so I'd just like to say..

..that there have been many many other terrorist attacks, attacks by America on foreign countries and attacks by other countries on other countries..

Where are your memorials for them?

I'm not trying to cheapen what happened at the WTC. It was a tragedy that all those lives are lost. But in the years since (and this isn't a stab at anyone here, more society in general... mostly Americas because it was their soil) I've seen countless people saying "we shall never forget" and what a horrible thing it was. If we can all agree that terrorism is "wrong" and horrible then where are our days of rememberance and reflection for those who've died since 9/11 due to the War on Terror?

Both sides have killed civilians since then. I find this a bitter pill to swallow as, if it's terrorists that do it, it's a massacre of innocents. If it's allied forces that do it then it's an unfortunate accident, friendly fire or someother politically acceptable label.

I fear that in this war, neither side is innocent. I'd sooner see a day of rememberance for all those civilian casualties of fighting in the world, so that we can remember that while terrorism is wrong - we're responsible for our own actions as well.

And that's my 2c. Sorry that this won't be opened for discussion but I guess it was locked for a reason and so locked it shall stay.