[Vasudan Commander]

Something always bothered me.

Now, i played Freespace 1, but i never played the expansion to that, Silent Threat, where you see the involvement with the GTI Hades-class destroyer and all that.

But in FRED, i saw how big the thing was, and with beam cannons, what it can do. Now i wonder....why didnt the GTVA build another ? Surely they had the construction plans for it. It would've made a damn fine capital ship. What the Lucifer was for the shivans, the Hades would be for the GTVA.....

Oh well....just another mystery.

Oh, by the way....i havent played Freespace 1 -or- silent threat for MANY years now, and i lost my cd copy....anywhere i can download it ? i checked HOTU, but it isnt there. 

[[DW]-Hunter]

give me a few days and the cds will be uploaded to my site

[Wobble73]

Or you could try the Port, Silent Threat is included, but I would recommend waiting for the guys to bring out Silent Threat : Reborn.   

[[DW]-Hunter]

he wasnt asking for port though

[Flipside]

I've never really known why whatever was learnt in the Hades project was kept secret, the secret of making hulls as tough as Shivan hulls would have been one that would have been adopted pretty swiftly I would have thought, can you imagine the shock it would have given the Ravanna?

I can only assume that the costs of constructing the Hades were prohibitive of larger scale production, though I'm surprised the tech has apparently vanished entirely from the GTVA.

[[DW]-Hunter]

I still thought it was bs that you had to sit there for 10 minutes in the last mission and pound it with bombs.

[AlphaOne]

well the Hades as i remember was classified as a superdestroyer. The general design of the hades war rather inefective if you look at it from where designs specs went in the GTVA . As far as I can remember it folowed the classic design of the shivans with forward facing firepower. But then again i could be wrong!

Anyway the fact that the tech from the Hades seems to have been lost seems rather....questioning at best. I mean all those good advanced teh simply disapearing is such a shame. Would of loved to see how powefull the Collie would of been with all that advanced shivan tech. At least in terms of hull strenght.

[aldo_14]

well the Hades as i remember was classified as a superdestroyer. The general design of the hades war rather inefective if you look at it from where designs specs went in the GTVA . As far as I can remember it folowed the classic design of the shivans with forward facing firepower. But then again i could be wrong!

Anyway the fact that the tech from the Hades seems to have been lost seems rather....questioning at best. I mean all those good advanced teh simply disapearing is such a shame. Would of loved to see how powefull the Collie would of been with all that advanced shivan tech. At least in terms of hull strenght.

It's not AFAIK entirely clear how strong the Hades was, because of the table differences between it (and the Lucifer) from FS1 to FS2.  For example, I believe V made it clear that the Lucifer shield was only impenetrable to FS1 era weaponry (but we don't see that reflected in a massive numberical increase in tbl stats)

[[DW]-Hunter]

its funny because they had to give the lucifer the invunerability flag instead of actually giving it a shield

[Bob-san]

Lol... they should have put a shield that blocks like 60% of damage from non-beam weapons... how hard would it really be to do it? Make something in the general shape and put it over the ship!

Anyways... the Hades is a cool design; the tech would be awesome, though it was lost or highly classified. Perhaps they used some tech on the Deimos... it has a very strong hull for a corvette.

[Snail]

The Deimos has the same hull as many corvettes.

And guys, Shivan hulls ARE NOT THAT THICK. Look at the fighters. 100 hp.

[aldo_14]

The Deimos has the same hull as many corvettes.

And guys, Shivan hulls ARE NOT THAT THICK. Look at the fighters. 100 hp.

I don't think the strength of fighter hulls is a fair indication; after all, Shivan fighters would seem to rely more on shielding than physical defences (I believe in general they have higher shields than most Terran fighters).  And also seem to be pissed away like water by the Shivans, so maybe survivability is less of a concern anyways.

[Mr_Maniac]

The Hades does have one huge weak point: The engines...
It only takes a few seconds and the Hades is disabled... Even with weaker Beams...

[AlphaOne]

Well we cant have a perfect ship now can we. But the one area where the GTVA could of benefited the most would of been the beam tech, shields and subspace tech. It would be invaluable to the GTVA especialy the subspace tech.

[Snail]

If all ships in the GTVA were outfitted with shielding, the Shivans would be in for a surprise. Unless of course they miraculously suddenly have shields too, as in FS2.

[Mars]

AFAIK beams go right through shields... making shielded destroyers moot

[Snail]

No beam pierce flag?

[Mars]

I mean canonically...

[Snail]

Mars and canon.

[Cobra]

its funny because they had to give the lucifer the invunerability flag instead of actually giving it a shield

It's funny how making it invincible seemed better than making a ****ing huge shield mesh that would have looked awkward anyways. Sheath shielding actually works on an FS ship.

The Hades is a powerful beast, aptly named, sending ships to hell and all. (Or a firey explosions OF hell) It just has a really awkward design and is far too powerful in terms of hitpoints. (Except in its engines.)