[Mongoose]

*wave* Me. But the Myrmidon has plus points in secondaries. Especially when you have no bombers available, only Helioses and Myrmidons.

I still don't accept that ever intended the Myrmidon to be able to carry the Helios.

Why not?  After all, real-life bombers aren't the only aircraft that are capable of equipping bombs.  Last time I checked, the F-22 Raptor is able to carry nuclear ordnance, and it's capable of longer sustained supersonic flight than any other fighter craft out there.  Call it an Easter egg, if you will.

[ShadowGorrath]

But the Helios torpedo is of ridiculous size compared to the Myrmidon 

[Mongoose]

And your fighters can't physically carry all of the secondary loadout they're able to in the first place.

[Iranon]

The Apollo is a better space superiority fighter. The Myrmidon doesn't score high on any area that matters for survivability (target profile, shields, power output, agility); the Apollo has a decent target profile and is quite nimble (marginally better than the Perseus on the axes that count... for some reason it rolls like a brick, same as the Ulysses).
The Apollo is well and truly obsolete though since otherwise the Perseus is noticable upgrade.

As it is, the Terrans don't have a widely available space superiority fighter that does its job well. This is not a huge problem since the Loki, Perseus, and Erinyes can all do the job if needed depending on which category you consider least important (secondary capacity/power/agility) , but it is jarring.

[Snail]

The point is, it says nothing about it in the tech descriptions, even some of the heavier bombers like the Medusa can't carry the Helios, nor can any other fighter.

[Colonol Dekker]

To be honest i loved the old Apollo, twin ML-16s and MX-50's. But as soon as i got a Herc with Banshees it was out. Unless they can retrofit an Apollo to carry modern weapons it's strictly a pleasure craft for me.

[Blue Lion]

Perseus, I love my flying piece of tinfoil.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

If you have trouble aiming with faster fighters, you can always tone down the sensitivity or something (do you use a joystick or a mouse?). And I agree, the Sekhmet and the Ares rule (I actually found the last mission of the Procyon Insurgency easier with the Sekhmet than the Amun Mark 2).

I'm a keyboarder.

Actually, I like flying the Pegasus, although I don't have the guts to do so near an enemy corvette.

To be honest i loved the old Apollo, twin ML-16s and MX-50's. But as soon as i got a Herc with Banshees it was out. Unless they can retrofit an Apollo to carry modern weapons it's strictly a pleasure craft for me.

Banshees are great. I didn't know that they were so powerful until I played FSPort again some months back. If I recall correctly, I used the Banshee and Leech Guns whenever they're available.

I still don't accept that ever intended the Myrmidon to be able to carry the Helios.

Concurred. It was probably a designer's joke.
The only reason why I fly a Myrmidon is because it has six gun points...and because I can only choose between a Herc II and that.

[Rodo]

I would vote for the loky but it's nowere to be found..

[ssmit132]

They haven't been able to exploit the dodgy stealth system yet.

[Cyker]

Myrmidon and Ares!

For me, the Myrmidon is a more heavily armed but slightly slower Perseus.

The Ares is because I'm getting lazy. I love being able to fill it full of trees and just sit there lancing everyone from long range with trees and maxim fire

And if anybody gets close, fire some quad PromS into their faces!

The handling is a bit of a weakness 'tho; I once had this amusing situation wherethis dragon was constantly jinking to stay behind me and I couldn't turn or burn fast enough to shake it off. Eventually my friend shot it off my ass after he stopped laughing so much...

[ShadowGorrath]

The Ares is the worst choice in mission Apocalypse though

And you could have simply turned into the other side than it was going/evading you.

[Rodo]

any slim shaped fighter would do... in my estimation.. If you play it right with a loky you can make shi* almost anything in the game.
The only things from wich you should run from with a loki are the flak cannon trails...

so again.. loki

PD: don´t  understand why terrans call that perseus an interceptor... to big for that... seems more like a shrinked hecate also, then again it's the best choice when chasing bombers.. so I dont think I can argue much about it's functionality.

Rot

[Jeff Vader]

loky

loky

Psst. It's Loki. Though it seems you also typed it correctly on two instances.

[asyikarea51]

Hey, I'm not alone. Loki!!! ^_^

To be fair to the Myrmidon, the tri-slot secondary does have SOME worth. But if I'm playing ammo-conservation mode, I wouldn't have a choice but to fly the Perseus (a craft I personally avoid - rather fragile in combat IMO despite its VERY well-balanced nature).

The secondary bank placement on the Perseus is IMO really perfect, making Tempest rockets real useful. Myrmidon, IIRC tolerable. Apollo... forget it. Only missiles with tracking systems are of any use on that old craft, no matter how much I like it. And I think the Ulysses has similar problems with gun/missile placement too (to me anyway), in addition to being as strong as generic office-grade A4 paper...

I'd actually use a Loki for intercept... but only if the mission has Kayser and Maxim available; at that point, the only drawback with the Loki is that it has too few gunpoints to kill any bomber or the advanced heavy fighters within one pass (i.e. I charge at the bomber with my finger deadlocked on the trigger until the distance gets too close, then I circle around for a second pass)...

[Rodo]

loky

loky

Psst. It's Loki. Though it seems you also typed it correctly on two instances.

Yes, I was in a hurry.. my boss is looking over my shoulder XD

Hey, I'm not alone. Loki!!! ^_^

To be fair to the Myrmidon, the tri-slot secondary does have SOME worth. But if I'm playing ammo-conservation mode, I wouldn't have a choice but to fly the Perseus (a craft I personally avoid - rather fragile in combat IMO despite its VERY well-balanced nature).

Myrmi quite good.. i dont know why... might be the low payload capability making me somewhat unwilling to use it...

The secondary bank placement on the Perseus is IMO really perfect, making Tempest rockets real useful. Myrmidon, IIRC tolerable. Apollo... forget it. Only missiles with tracking systems are of any use on that old craft, no matter how much I like it. And I think the Ulysses has similar problems with gun/missile placement too (to me anyway), in addition to being as strong as generic office-grade A4 paper...

Yes, try hitting something with the banks of the myrmi, apolo (as you said), herc1 (too spaced) and MY GOD you have to try using a valkirie posiibly worst disigned craft ever! well only in firing points (primary).
Also agreed on the Ulysses... leave it to the AI

I'd actually use a Loki for intercept... but only if the mission has Kayser and Maxim available; at that point, the only drawback with the Loki is that it has too few gunpoints to kill any bomber or the advanced heavy fighters within one pass (i.e. I charge at the bomber with my finger deadlocked on the trigger until the distance gets too close, then I circle around for a second pass)...

waiting for some good modder to modifiy a loki and increase it's secondary payload

[Stormkeeper]

They haven't been able to exploit the dodgy stealth system yet.

Let's ask Stealth.

To be honest, the myrmidon is a pretty fair fighter. 6 primaries is respectable early in the game, even with all Subachs. It outguns the Lokis in the early game pretty easily.

[Iranon]

The second bank of the Valkyrie might be the best-positioned guns in the game though; the atrocious positions of the first only matters to me if Shield Breakers are available (Valks don't have the power to support Banshees; I prefer Avengers even against Shivans). I think it's a wonderfully designed craft that excels in its role.

It might be outgunned, but I'd prefer a Loki over a Myrmidon any time the mission doesn't call for a heavy assault fighter in which case I have no business flying either. Slightly more shields, slimmer, better afterburners, more agile, more power. The gap only widens as the game progresses as the Loki is the most manoueverable craft that can carry Kaysers, and unlike the Perseus it can carry them comfortably.

[admiral_wolf]

Can someone enlighten me to what the GTF Pegasus is?  It's something I've never come across.

[Snail]

Can someone enlighten me to what the GTF Pegasus is?  It's something I've never come across.

I'm sorry, Admiral, but that would cause a rip in time and and space if you knew.