[Desert Tyrant]

I dont want to turn into a ZOMG! crusier thread, I'm just asking which of the capships need desperate upgrades.

[Mars]

• GTD Hecate (just a bit more firepower)
• GTD Hades (subsystem armor damn it)

[Sarafan]

The Hecate needs more armor and better beam cannons, exchange the current ones with their vasudan counterparts and the problem is solved.

[ChronoReverse]

The Hecate needs fewer beam cannons, more fighter bay room and more AAAF.

The Hatshetsup should have more beam cannon ownage.

[Commander Zane]

This really wouldn't be an upgrade of any sort, but I'd say rip the hull structure right off the Colossus and rebuild it from the ground up to make a sexier looking flagship...

[Qwer]

Fenris - modified into space junk/spare parts.
Leviathan - change current weaponry to 9 AAA beams.
Aeolus - 6 MSes, 4 Heavy Flaks and two UltraAAAs instead of two SGreens, two THTs, two AAAs and six flaks.
Hecate - change beams into Stiletto II launchers, limit AF weaponry to about 20 MSes and avaible space spend for two additional hangars with additional 150 fighters (now it would be 300 total).
Colossus - put hangar down, limit weaponry to about 50 MSes and install four huge front beam cannons able to rip out Sathanas in two volleys (one minute fire wait) plus some StilettoII launchers for self-defence.
Aten - modified into space junk/spare parts.
Mentu - low armor and increase AF weaponry (4 Heavy Flaks, 3 AAAs plus some Maxims and MSes).
Typhon - complete change of weaponry to LRFlaks and UltraAAAs only so it could be excellent AF destroyer.
Hatshepsut - strip it down from fighterbays and increase power of beams (3 BFVases and 1 BVas should be fine).

IMHO only Deimos, Sobek and Orion are current GTVA designs with their abilities fully used. All others have got at least one flaw.

[asyikarea51]

Fenris - mod it to become a Hippocrates-like vessel, but retain the firepower

I'd love to suggest the Orion, but by the end of FS2 it's obsolete... and my thinking cap isn't put on right now...

[AlphaOne]

Well the Orion is still much more powerfull then the Hecate and is almost as powerfull as the Hatshepsuit. The orion really needs more aaaf defences and it would prove to be more powerfull then anyone ever imagined. Even noew by the FS2 era the Orion is still the most hevy hitter in terms of beam cannons whem compared to any other FS2 era destroyer. It is the "heavytank"  of the fleet and a job at which it is vcery very well suited for. I believe an Orion MKII would be very very well suited for the fleet more armour better powergrid and more aaaf defences keep its existing fighterbay or even shrink it to about 100 spacecrafts and you would have something which can withstand a lot of punishment yet can give out a lot of hurt to anione crosing its path.


The Orion in FS2 is still used for heavy defence of a node or sistem.

Remember that quote form the game where it says that when an Orion is seen in a sistem relief is brought to the citizens since they know they are very very well potected yet when an Orion stays too much in one sistem the citizens start to wory because almsot all of the time war is gooiing to arive in theyr sistem.

Basicly after more then 50 years of service the Orion is still the most feared and respected ship in the game along with the Aeoulous.

[Sarafan]

Cant believe I forgot the Mentu! Cool looking ship, just add another turret on its lower side and a good beam cannon at its front. Has anyone ever done this?

[NGTM-1R]

Orion: five-ten more blob turrets and a pair of AAAfs (one for each side). Heavy Flaks for the big turrets. Replate with some of that funky collapsed-core molybendum armor the Deimos is using.

Aten: chop off end of pointy bits. Install SVas. Replate with collapsed-core molybendum. Add a few more turrets. Three or so should do it. AAAs for the new turrets, flaks for the old big guns. (This one actually exists. If I ever figure out why that table induces FRED borkage, you'll see it; it's of Madbomber's design.)

Mentu and Hecate: scrapheap. Poor firearcs endemic to design.

Hapshepsut: swap Fusion Mortars for flak guns. Possibly a few more turrets along the spine. Has surprisingly poor broadside defenses.

[Sarafan]

Aten: chop off end of pointy bits. Install SVas. Replate with collapsed-core molybendum. Add a few more turrets. Three or so should do it. AAAs for the new turrets, flaks for the old big guns. (This one actually exists. If I ever figure out why that table induces FRED borkage, you'll see it; it's of Madbomber's design.)

Mentu and Hecate: scrapheap. Poor firearcs endemic to design.

Are you mad? Why scrap the Mentu and upgrade the Aten? It would be a much better and economical decision to replace and add turrets on the Mentu than upgrading the Aten's armor with collapsed-core molybendum and upgrading its weapons. No offense, just really want to know why.

[NGTM-1R]

The Mentu is, simply put, poorly designed. You can't give it good firearcs because of the shape of the hull, it's always going to have a problem with broadside and frontal coverage.

That and I suspect Post-Capella there are not many left, and it would be cheaper to upgrade mothballed Atens then build new Mentus.

[Ghostavo]

Sathanas, it needs more firepower... the frontal coverage is non-existant.

Oh, more hitpoints as well! [/sarcasm]

[Bob-san]

Eh hehe...

Colossus; get rid of terran blobs and replace with Morning Stars. Add some Maxim's instead of flak. Watch and learn as anything tries to attack it!
Do that with every terran and vasudan ship as well!!

[Commander Zane]

So you're saying give the capital ships nothing but weapons that still do little to no shield damage...and where's the relevance in that?

[Desert Tyrant]

• GTD Hecate (just a bit more firepower)
• GTD Hades (subsystem armor damn it)

Yeah, thinking the same thing I was, but the Hades needs better Beam placement
Oddly enough, I found the Hecate was a good ship, all-in-all. While not as good as the Orion, the Hecate, at optimal conditions, can bring 3 terslashers and that BGreen to bear on a target, which can give brutal fire.  If the forward terslasher was changed to a Bgreen, the Hecate would give a hell of amount of trouble to say... a destroyer for once (shockarooney  ) The Hecate was, dare I say, a great ship.
Also, the Hecates that we see in the main campaign never really went into a battle willingly. (Aquataine twice over, Phenocia once, and died a quick death

[Mars]

The Hecate is a fine ship, capable of unleashing far more fighters and bombers on its targets than can the Orion, the issue people have with it is that they expect a battleship and they get a super carrier instead.

[Trivial Psychic]

So you're saying give the capital ships nothing but weapons that still do little to no shield damage...and where's the relevance in that?

Morning Stars = high kinetic damage + shield damage
Maxim = high hull dammage

Combining the two can do the required fighter destruction.  Furthermore, with the range of the Maxims it can assist quite well for engaging cruisers, and its ability to shoot down bombs would be fantastic.

[asyikarea51]

Not to mention Morning Stars'll kick the targets back as well... we try and try so hard to get close, only to get pushed back further away Like the Arcas installation in one of the missions in Inferno R1 that gets outfitted with Mace guns...

[Mars]

Morning Stars cause very little shield damage, as you can check both on stats and by trying to remove the shields of a Basilisk with it.