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Offline Zeronet

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Personally i speak English and French(1 year still left on my course). I know a fair amount of Latin such as
"Deus dies irae", which means Gods day of wrath.
I think the Terrans probably from a story point of view all speak Terran(English) but if born on Earth they might learn the native language. Like in Pakistan, the primary language is English but their are loads of other little tribal languages. Also depends which English you use as standard, you you spell Colour that way or take the American approach and spell it color  . Colour is said as "Colurr" not "Collor". Doesnt Japanese have 20,000 letters?
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Offline CP5670

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Or have the Vasudans decided on a language like 'Vasudan Standard', comparable to our own English?

They probably have something like that. The tech room says that the Vasdans have "thousands of different dialects", but one language is probably generally accepted as the standard, kind of like English is today.

 

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Originally posted by Zeronet:
[B...Doesnt Japanese have 20,000 letters?[/B]

No. Hiragana and Katakana are only a small set of 'letters' (more like phonemes). They also have Kanji, of which there are tens of thousands, but these aren't 'letters' but pictograms. Most Japanese know about 5000 standard kanji, and another two or three thousand that are appropriate to them. Kanji can be pronounced in different ways, and can mean many different ways. A good example is the kanji for 'rice patty'. It also means 'money' and, in some cases, can mean 'an uncountable number of things'.


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Offline Nico

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Originally posted by Zeronet:
Personally i speak English and French(1 year still left on my course). I know a fair amount of Latin such as
"Deus dies irae", which means Gods day of wrath.
I think the Terrans probably from a story point of view all speak Terran(English) but if born on Earth they might learn the native language. Like in Pakistan, the primary language is English but their are loads of other little tribal languages. Also depends which English you use as standard, you you spell Colour that way or take the American approach and spell it color   . Colour is said as "Colurr" not "Collor". Doesnt Japanese have 20,000 letters?

The japanese have three alpahbets:
The hiragana (46 symbols), the katagana (36 symbols), and the chinese alphabet (many thousands of kanji). Plus they use the romaji (our own latin characters), for stuff like product names and in advertisings.

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Originally posted by venom2506:
The japanese have three alpahbets:
The hiragana (46 symbols), the katagana (36 symbols), and the chinese alphabet (many thousands of kanji). Plus they use the romaji (our own latin characters), for stuff like product names and in advertisings.


Kanji is not an alphabet. They are pictograms. They are of chinese origin, but they are not the same as chinese kanji. Japanese kanji is simplified, but looks similar.

Katakana (I think, I might have this backwards) is used for foreign words (as well as romaji) and Hirigana is used for native japanese words.

I miss Japan.  

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Borg:We are the Borg. Resistance is futile. Your cultural and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own.
Picard:Data, send them the dictionaries for all world languages!
Borg: :Sensory overload, self-destructs:

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hehe, gotta love that site (www.engrish.com)  

I speak Finnish, English, German, AND I should know how to speak Swedish BUT that "skill" is a bit rusty  
and god I'd like to learn Japanese. There just aren't many cheap courses around here... I guess

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hmm...flesh juice? I wonder what that tastes like...

I pretty much only know English really well along with a bit of Marathi (off-shoot of Hindi) and of course, Zog language. vubup-bup vup vup-bup buvup bup.

 

Offline Martinus

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I know some basic Tolkien elvish. I'd love to be able to write in elvish script, it's very lovely to look at.

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You see things; and you say "Why?" But I dream things that never were; and I say "Why not?" -George Bernard Shaw

 

Offline Thorn

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Haha...
Thats great...

 

Offline IceFire

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Oh, its a shame I didn't read this thread earlier.  I've read some really neat stuff recently about languages...mostly because im taking a Communications Studies major at University.  So this is all neat stuff.

Genetic stuff is complete and utter garbage as far as I'm concerned and everything I read indicates.  But its very easy to explain why one group of people would find it very difficult to say something "natively" in another area (taking from the example above).  The reason is because babies, almost as soon as they gain their vision (because you don't have perfect 20/20 vision right off the bat) watch the facial movements of their parents.  They have already heard their mother speak for quite a few months (in and out of the womb) and the vibrations have become familar.  Apparently its a very fast process where a baby picks up on the facial movements of their parents and this is why they will form the same patterns of speech.

Now as to glyphs and alphabets, thats probably an unanswerable question.  Chineese for instance (and there is probably a whole bunch of variations, so I'll just generalize) is actually somewhat more direct than the western alphabet is.  Its far less arbitrary because the symbols actually have visual meanings.  But in English, French, German and others, the letter A has very little intrinsic value if any.  The words "Table" or "House" mean little if you don't know what they are supposed to represent.

As far as FreeSpace's Vasudans go, its quite possible that two things exist.

1) A "local" dialect of language that exists in some more remote areas.
2) A more universal language that exists on all of Vasuda Prime (speaking before the Lucifer bombardment).  Now Vasudan language is very interesting and complex as it relates to the time of day I think and your position from the Emperor and all of that.  SO its alot more fluid and confusing for an outsider to pickup on.

Probably Terrans are the same thing by the time of FreeSpace and its possible that we will go the same way as well.  English is slowly becoming one of the most written (in any case) language in the world because of the Internet.  Now regardless of if its English or another language, the Internet is starting to bring alot of people together and whats the point if they can't all understand each other.

So, technology is going to do one of two things.

1) Its going to largely unify languages in a hundred or two hundred years.  If only because everyone needs to be able to understand each other.

2) Technology is going to make it possible for everyone to speak/write in their own language and then run through a highly complex (not yet invented) translator which will translate between languages instantaneously and prefectly so that everyone is able to communicate their ideas anyways.

So either technology will force everyone to use the same language, or it will preserve languages and allow more people to use their own language (provided its in the translator).
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That's a variation on a proposal by one Samuel Clemens, better known as Mark Twain.  


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Offline Martinus

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I'd never read that before, it's pretty amazing that you can still figure out all of the words and read them without too much difficulty  

 

Offline Crazy_Ivan80

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And it sounds like English with a bad German accent.

Personally I speak Dutch/Flemish (not exactly the same) as my mother-tongue.

English of course  
Und ein bisschen Deutch aber nicht sehr gut.
Et un peux de Français, mais ç'est plus mauvais que mon Allemand.
I can read Latin and understand a fair bit of it.
And I know some loose words in several other languages, just like most people on Earth.

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Offline Nico

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Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan80:

Et un peux de Français, mais ç'est plus mauvais que mon Allemand.

en effet  
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Offline Crazy_Ivan80

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Originally posted by venom2506:
en effet  


But I never claimed anything else!!  
And you understood what I wanted to say, so it wasn't that bad...
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Offline CODEDOG ND

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hehe that does sound like english with a bad german accent.
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