[Bobboau]

I had a thought, why don't we make some new turret weapons for the vasudans, they would be balanced to be exactly like the terran ones, but would have different graphics and, sounds.
I'm prety sure in most V missions they don't modify the loadout, so I think all we'd have to do is make the new effects add them to the table and make the ships table reference them. there would be no balance issues cause from a a gameplay perspective they would be the same.

[TrashMan]

Allready did that ages ago.

There's a nifty little weaponsPack on Hades-Combine. (and is used in Flames of War)

All vasudan capships have yellow blob turrets (heavy, medium and light ones) while all terran ones are green.
Terran ones do more damage, vasudan ones fire faster.

[Mars]

That modifies the original balance

[TrashMan]

That modifies the original balance

Weapon packs have a tendency to do that..yeah.

But not by much. Terran Huge Turret does 1000 damage (compared to 300 from before), can target only capships and has a longer range. The vasudan one does 940 damage or so.

There's also a Terran/Vasudan Medium Turret (anti-cap, but for smaller ships, with half damage), a Terran/Vasudan anti-bomber turret (slow, but big damage) and the terran/vasudan laser turret (fires faster than stock one).

[Bobboau]

well the idea haere is expressly not to do that, but to make just a cosmetic change.

[Mars]

There seem to be Zod turret effects in the media vps... they just aren't used.

I can be more specific one I get my Freespace 2 up and running again

[TrashMan]

well the idea haere is expressly not to do that, but to make just a cosmetic change.

So? The effects are there, just change a few numbers...

[Trivial Psychic]

There are some in the Port tables... though they're not the same balance-wise as the Terran ones.

[Wanderer]

Faster firing rate will increase their effectiveness against bombs

[Bobboau]

well if they are in the table why don't we set them on the vasudan ships?

[TrashMan]

While Huge turrets targeting only capships and doing more damage is not "canon" it does make perfect sense.

Isn't it strange that a 2km long warship doesn't have any anti-capital weapons worthy of note?
Hell, the Leviathans Fusion Mortar is a better weapon than the THT!

But any changes made won't be canon anyway (green is the "canon" color of vasudan capital laser weapons)
There are times when you simply have to say - s*** canon!

[Bobboau]

and this is not one of those times, if we do that, we'd potentially need to rebalance every mission. all I'm suggesting is a cosmetic change.

[TrashMan]

I was making an appeal to campaigns in-progress or those to be made.

They don't have to use stock tables or worry about balance.

Just FYI, I played the original FS2 campaign with my weapons and the balance was not noticably affected...only ONE mission was affected (Kotlh and Collie mission), and that was due to the (vastly, more than beams) increased range of the weapons - the Repulse fraged the cruiser.

Anyway, using new weapon tables/effects is optional..

[Bobboau]

well this is specifically from FSU and the original campaign. that is off of this toppic.

so does this mean that vasudan weapons would have no objection from the populous? if I get objections AFTER I make them I'm going to be a lot more pissy about it then if we talk it out now.

[Vasudan Admiral]

I say go for it - I've never before noticed that there are no Vasudan capship turrets, but now I reckon that makes a great oppertunity for more eye-candy.

And just in case anyone else is still wondering/worried about balance, what he intends to do is basically create a set of vasudan turret weapons that will effectively be the terran turret weapons that all vasudan ships currently use with new graphics and sounds.

Bottom line: Balance will not be affected in the slightest, unless you count players who get mesmerised by the new effects and forget what they are for too long. Just thought I'd clear that up once and for all.

[S-99]

Someone should re-cosmeticise the shivan flaks too. They're just like like tv ones, but it would really help out if they just had different looking projectiles and explosions. The shivans could have a plasma flak turret or something.

[Raven2001]

Someone should re-cosmeticise the shivan flaks too. They're just like like tv ones, but it would really help out if they just had different looking projectiles and explosions. The shivans could have a plasma flak turret or something.

Good point

[redsniper]

so does this mean that vasudan weapons would have no objection from the populous? if I get objections AFTER I make them I'm going to be a lot more pissy about it then if we talk it out now.

I fully support this endeavor as well as different flak for shivans. (As long as the new effects are good )

[Janos]

well this is specifically from FSU and the original campaign. that is off of this toppic.

so does this mean that vasudan weapons would have no objection from the populous? if I get objections AFTER I make them I'm going to be a lot more pissy about it then if we talk it out now.

Of course not. Purely cosmetic changes are good and I trust the plebeians here to ***** and moan if you come up with something horrendous.

[Mars]

I think it's weird that the Zods and Terrans have anti-capital turrets that look exactly the same... but beams that look totally different... I'm all for it