[AlphaOne]

that is sort of hit and run tactic ! I do not really like this tactic but it is very efective in theory against superior armed forces.Howeverthis may prove efective for a limited amount of time. Since the shivans have a nasty habbit of increasing the number of ships deplyd very fast! also they rather more skilled at jumping ! They are not however more skilled at sensors which may give the GTVa an advantage. but when it comes to subspace perhaps they can predict or detect warships coming in from much further away then the GTVA is able. I'm not sure about this. Actualy all you need to make a joke out the Sath is to take out its forward beams! A few well aimed ****s at its forward beam and they should go down rather fast leaving the Sath toothless so to speak. So unless it can bite the only thing a Sath in that condition is good for is barkling or intimidation by presence that is all.


i do not really care about what kind of fighter/bommber compliment it has since it would be a waste of time to try and take out GTVa warships using that method. Just warp in a couple of Deimos 2 maibe 3 of them and with the fighter compliment from a Hecate you can make short work of those fighters and bommbers.


Hey guis do you think there is a posibilaty that the GTVA managed to attach some sort of stealth fighter on to one of those juggs? i mean it would be a very reasonalbe thing to dio and gather up intel without getting exposed. And when some of those juggs warp out they take the fighter with them?

[TrashMan]

Or you can attach a beacon to it...like some scientists do today to track movements of shark and other animals...

[AlphaOne]

not exactly what would be ideal now would it? I do not believe a beacon would be able to report any findings if it would be posible or jump a few star sistems in order to get back to the proximaty of the GTVAspace..!

[haloboy100]

They are not however more skilled at sensors which may give the GTVa an advantage. but when it comes to subspace perhaps they can predict or detect warships coming in from much further away then the GTVA is able. I'm not sure about this. Actualy all you need to make a joke out the Sath is to take out its forward beams! A few well aimed ****s at its forward beam and they should go down rather fast leaving the Sath toothless so to speak. So unless it can bite the only thing a Sath in that condition is good for is barkling or intimidation by presence that is all.

Ok, I'm assuming English isn't your first language, but proper grammar would be nice.

Anyways, the shivans definitely have superior sensors to the GTVA's. Thats how they were able to fight so affectively in the nebula.  And your tactics are good ones, but i still think it's easier to just warp in an Orion behind the Sathanas and pound it from there.

[AlphaOne]

Actualy they sensors were superior untill the GTVA brought in that AWACS! After that to me it seemed like the GTVA had the upper hand in the battle of the sensors!

I'm not sayng you are wrong I just think it would take too much time! And time wasting is something you do not want to do when battleing the shivans!Beacuse as stated above they have a nasty habbit of bringing in more ships when you leat expect them and want them.

[Gamma_Draconis]

I bet the Shivans have AWACs of their own. Hey, wait a minute, I don't recall the Shivans having any support ships. So how the heck do they rearm during a battle? I wonder if the Comm Node serve as an AWAC as well. Remember, the Shivans seem to have everything the GTVA can pump out and perhaps even more.

[Flipside]

Shivans didn't seem to use support ships, they were unconcerned with individual losses as such. They did have transports, which were used for resupplying capships but the fighters themselves were expendable to all appearances.

[TrashMan]

Shivan fighters are expendible..so they dont' rearm..if they run out of milels they just use their primaries...They are supposed to be VERY powerfull (alltough they aren't really in-game)

[Stormkeeper]

I think the Shivans rely on their primaries and their superior spacecraft. IMO, the Dragon is a hell of a beast to catch at Insane.

[AlphaOne]

The fact that they did not use any AWACS in the nebula leaves me to believe that such tech is not yet awaylable to them. or ather they di not bother with it because they believed they were suficiently advanced sensor wise and that building such a specialized ship would be a waste of time. Man were they wrong!

Also the fact that hey do not cae about theyr fighters leaves me to believe that perhaps at least some of they fighters are some sort of advanced drones.

[Kie99]

The problem you run into with "Warp in behind the Sathanas" is that the Sathanas will warp out, and re-emerge from subspace facing your ship.  You'll then be raped by the 4 BFReds.  I tried it with 5 Orions once in FRED.  They got crushed in minutes.

[jr2]

Eh?  5 Orions on the rear all firing all beams at once?  I don't think the Sath would have time to warp out.

[AlphaOne]

Agreed 5 ORIONS did not manage to ake out a Sath?? that is IMPOSIBLE. From just one salvo they should be able to inflict more then anough damage to the Sath. How did they manage to lose that should have been ownage on the Orions part??

[Kie99]

Orions warped in, started firing, Sath warped out 30 seconds later, came out behind them.

[jr2]

... And the Orions didn't warp out?  What's good for the goose is good for the gander.  But, regardless of that, 5 Orions head-on vs. 1 Sathy = Sathy gets KO'ed, I think.

[Kie99]

... And the Orions didn't warp out?  What's good for the goose is good for the gander.  But, regardless of that, 5 Orions head-on vs. 1 Sathy = Sathy gets KO'ed, I think.

They'd just warped in, they needed time to recharge their jump drives.  That's why ideas like "The Colossus should have warped out and come out behind the Sathanas" don't work.  Whoever uses subspace to gain an advantage is at a disadvantage because thier opponent will do the same.

[TrashMan]

The problem you run into with "Warp in behind the Sathanas" is that the Sathanas will warp out, and re-emerge from subspace facing your ship.  You'll then be raped by the 4 BFReds.  I tried it with 5 Orions once in FRED.  They got crushed in minutes.

Assuming the GTVA ship will stand and wait for it to come back...they will track it, see where it went...by the time the Sath re-charged it's jump drives, so will the GTVA ships...they jump to somewhere else, but leave a few scouts in case the sath returns.
If it does, it will realy the jump coordinates and they will be able to hit it again.

Then again the Sath can try and so something simialr too, but it can only go after one Orion at a time, and one it jumps in to attakc that one, the other 4 can rape it from behins. Eitehr way it isa game of cat and mice, but I think Orions are better off.

[Gamma_Draconis]

I think Shivans have better warp technology. The Orions are basicly 1 shot KO if the Sathanas can bring its face to an Orion. But I think there are actually more Sathanases (How the heck do you get the plural of Sathanas), then Orions. Who knows how many ships the Shivans have. We haven't even seen a Shivan Installation.

[Agent_Koopa]

The problem you run into with "Warp in behind the Sathanas" is that the Sathanas will warp out, and re-emerge from subspace facing your ship.  You'll then be raped by the 4 BFReds.  I tried it with 5 Orions once in FRED.  They got crushed in minutes.

Assuming the GTVA ship will stand and wait for it to come back...they will track it, see where it went...by the time the Sath re-charged it's jump drives, so will the GTVA ships...they jump to somewhere else, but leave a few scouts in case the sath returns.

I think the idea here is a nano-jump.

[TrashMan]

Well, apparently bigger ship take longer to re-charge their jump drives.. the bigger the subspace "hole" your'e opning the bigger the energy requirements. A Sath is a lot bigger than a Orion.

And tactical mini-jumps are not possible.
The Sath can't jump right behind an Orion in one jump. He first needs to jump to some point B, re-charge it's jump drives and then jump back to point B +10000m to the left.

Funny thing - if a ship is too close to the Sath it can't turn to face it. I once had a Sath jump in, only I placed it too close in FRED and it stopped 5m from 2 Demios corvettes. Tehy were right inbetween his 4 arms and it couldn't fire... Needles to say, they destroyed the sath