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Offline Bobboau

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Re: Sexuality and stereotypes
you know I have encountered a LOT of 'bugs' in my programs which I later turned into very neat features. the thing is you are not going to be able to lable anything as a defect in a evolutionary scence, because evolution is the judge of that not you, so if it exsists then you can't realy call it a defect.

incedently I'm dyslexic, it makes spelling a pain but it also gives me a natural knack for processing geometry, I probly wouldn't be half as good at making ships or programing graphics or polygon/spacal manipulation stuff if I wasn't dyslexic, but most people would consider it a defect.
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People would consider it a defect, but really all people aren't the same. Dyslexia is just an intriguingly differently wired human brain. It's completely not a flaw in my opinion. Most dyslexics don't talk until they are about 2.5-4 years of age. I didn't talk until i was 3 :lol: But, anyway dyslexia is fun.

There is also a really obvious program out there that once had a bug, but became a feature, and this was the descent series. In descent you could hold down i forget which buttons and it would give you a speed boost, and this was something the devs of the game had not anticipated and was a bug since it was something they did not intend to put in the game. But, players soon utilized this bug and it became popular, and in descent 3 that certain speed boost bug became an actual feature of controlling your ship.

Bugs if they are useful can be features. And if useful and popular, devs are smart to keep those bugs and make them into documented features of the next release of said program.
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Your point? You saying Bob will end up a mass murderer becouse whatever triggers gayness has been "untriggered" while he was still a fetus?

Hmmmm.... could you possibly twist that just a bit more to suit your homophobia?
What is means is that you don't judge people by what you think they might be, you let them grow up into who they are and you deal with it, you don't hide under a rock handing out marks for 'normalness'.

Unless you know exactly what side effects there are to genetic manipulation, how do you know that removing the 'Gayness' trigger won't make someone into a mass murderer?

And yes Janos, that about covers it, it's not a question of right and wrong, or even a question of liberty, it's a question of not having to see men in leotards, that's a great excuse for genetic manipulation.....

 

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so basically what I have understood is that TrashMan thinks that gays are a bug of society and as such should be removed

Nah...but if it makes you feel good about yourself you're free to think that's what I ment.



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Unless you know exactly what side effects there are to genetic manipulation, how do you know that removing the 'Gayness' trigger won't make someone into a mass murderer?

When has not being sure in sideffects of action ever stopped humanity in anything?
IMHO, something tells me gayness and murder instincs aren't really tied together... I hope for all our sakes that any treatment/medical procedure is understood and tested before put in use.. As I understand that's usually how it's done...


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incedently I'm dyslexic, it makes spelling a pain but it also gives me a natural knack for processing geometry, I probly wouldn't be half as good at making ships or programing graphics or polygon/spacal manipulation stuff if I wasn't dyslexic, but most people would consider it a defect.

You saying without dyslexia there's no way you'd be a good programmer?


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What is means is that you don't judge people by what you think they might be, you let them grow up into who they are and you deal with it, you don't hide under a rock handing out marks for 'normalness'.

WTF? What does personality have to do with anything?

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People would consider it a defect, but really all people aren't the same. Dyslexia is just an intriguingly differently wired human brain. It's completely not a flaw in my opinion. Most dyslexics don't talk until they are about 2.5-4 years of age. I didn't talk until i was 3 :lol: But, anyway dyslexia is fun.

There is also a really obvious program out there that once had a bug, but became a feature, and this was the descent series. In descent you could hold down i forget which buttons and it would give you a speed boost, and this was something the devs of the game had not anticipated and was a bug since it was something they did not intend to put in the game. But, players soon utilized this bug and it became popular, and in descent 3 that certain speed boost bug became an actual feature of controlling your ship.

Bugs if they are useful can be features. And if useful and popular, devs are smart to keep those bugs and make them into documented features of the next release of said program.

I don't know where you got your information about dyslexia, and I'm not questioning your sources, but I would definitely consider a brain that processes things differently a defect. Perhaps not a crippling defect, of course, but one that results in a difficulty with the written language. I don't know if a common side-effect is proficiency with geometry and spatial reasoning, but it may very well be true. However, no matter how beneficial it may be, it is still a defect. If it deviates from the vast majority, it is probably a defect. This is not necessarily a bad thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straferunning

Straferunning/trichording has been around since the earliest FPSes. I doubt that it became a "feature", just that Volition decided to put an official label on it. It is a bug. Most FPSes have it taken out nowadays, for simpler/more realistic gameplay. To use the example of Super Smash Bros, wavedashing is an exploit of the engine, involving jumping, then immediately airdodging into the ground at an angle. Done properly, your character's feet never leave the ground, and they slide forward or backwards. It forms the cornerstone of advanced play, allowing players to move while keeping attack options open.
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I belive I answered it rather clearly. Being a product of evolution or not is irrelevant, given that everything is a product of evolution.

Aslo, having a slight beneficial or negative impact is also a moot point.

A bug is a bug. A fluke is a fluke. Deviation from the norm, from the standard, from the blueprints. Call it what you wish.

If it's natural and has a beneficial effect on the family of the person who is gay how the hell is it a bug?
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A bug is considered an unintentional side effect of a program or code.  I'm no expert, but genetic code is still code.  And it is some of the most flawed code you will ever see.  Anyhow, all of us have many bugs in our system.  I, for example, have an immune system that is violently aggressive to foreign particles, bacteria, and viruses.  This makes me allergic to almost everything, but I am extremely unlikely to acquire AIDS if I ever contracted HIV.  It allows for certain benefits, but it is still a bug.  Many games and programs intentionally leave bugs in their code and pass them off as features.
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A bug is considered an unintentional side effect of a program or code.  I'm no expert, but genetic code is still code.

Using that definition for bug, all DNA (or at least any base pair different from the set in the first strand of DNA) is a bug. DNA doesn't have a plan. It doesn't have a designer. There is no such thing as an unintentional side effect unless you consider all mutation to be a side effect. In which case DNA is nothing but 1 enormous bug.
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In which case DNA is nothing but 1 enormous bug.
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A bug is considered an unintentional side effect of a program or code.  I'm no expert, but genetic code is still code.  And it is some of the most flawed code you will ever see.  Anyhow, all of us have many bugs in our system.  I, for example, have an immune system that is violently aggressive to foreign particles, bacteria, and viruses.  This makes me allergic to almost everything, but I am extremely unlikely to acquire AIDS if I ever contracted HIV.  It allows for certain benefits, but it is still a bug.  Many games and programs intentionally leave bugs in their code and pass them off as features.

REh? DFoesnt AIDS target White Blood Cells specificly? And strong immunse systems have more of those than weaker ones?
Wouldn't that make you MORE succeptable?
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Not all of your white blood cells are comprised of the T-Cells, Macrophages, etc that AIDS go after. IIRC heavy allergic reaction is caused by over-activity in one of the other components of your  defence system (The basophils IIRC) and thus would be less affected by AIDS and maybe more likely to go after the virus.
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You sure about that?
AFAIK, your immune system can do sh** against AIDS, so having more of the guys in your blood strem shouldn't really help - only give it abigger target selection.
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Offline Scuddie

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Just going by what my doctor told me :).
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I've seen doctors saying false things enough times to allways wanbt a second oppinion...and third...
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Yes but on one hand we have you, who knows nothing about the subject and on the other hand we have Scuddie's doctor who it seems reasonable to assume, knows more. :p
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Offline S-99

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I don't know where you got your information about dyslexia, and I'm not questioning your sources, but I would definitely consider a brain that processes things differently a defect. Perhaps not a crippling defect, of course, but one that results in a difficulty with the written language. I don't know if a common side-effect is proficiency with geometry and spatial reasoning, but it may very well be true. However, no matter how beneficial it may be, it is still a defect. If it deviates from the vast majority, it is probably a defect. This is not necessarily a bad thing.

Who says i'm deviating from the vast majority, there's tons of me out there :drevil: And for my sources was me growing up and secondly wikipedia. Dyslexics will rule the world one civic at a time, and thank you (that's a figure of speech :nod:).

Also this is as follows

dyslexia  :yes2: = POS, i meant to give a thumbs down but i seem to have given a thumbs up instead...**** me :snipe: (So far as much as i know me and Bobb)
ADD :wakka: = I can't pay attention to **** and i'm hyper as **** (taka)
retardation :hammer: = HHHHaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrr r (taka and the rest of the people on the hlpbb)

I remember straferunning. As much as it may be a bug or cheating, i never used it, because it never seemed like a viable way to move around. As far as using strafe running to explore a map, well sure, but using strafe running to do combat, i'll say no to that one being viable. That's when people go all crazy with pushing buttons and changing their vectors to maneuver around good, because you're one good target if you're doing a very fast diagonal walk towards someones face in a straight, but fast line :lol:
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Yes but on one hand we have you, who knows nothing about the subject and on the other hand we have Scuddie's doctor who it seems reasonable to assume, knows more. :p

Did I say he should trust me? I said *I* don't trust anyone that easily...
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:wtf:

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Did the study mention bisexuality?
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