[Vasudan Commander]

Actually, the comm nodes could mean that the Shivan homeworld, or at least, nearest Shivan Installation (shudder. Imagine hitting a Shivan Installation) is of enough distance that the comm nodes are needed for reliable communications. It could also mean that Shivan comm tech is inferior to Terran and Vasudan tech.

Beyond the 3rd Knossos portal? Its anybody's guess. More shivans, definitely. Shivan Installation? Possible. Shivan planet, also possible. Shivan civillans, also possible. Like I said, anybody's guess.

Should've been a campaign done about what lied beyond THAT. Shame that capella was sealed off, as was any chance of making campaigns of going back there.

But what if someone did a campaign of re-opening the Vega - Capella node ... *wink wink , nudge nudge to developers  )

[Stormkeeper]

Actually, the comm nodes could mean that the Shivan homeworld, or at least, nearest Shivan Installation (shudder. Imagine hitting a Shivan Installation) is of enough distance that the comm nodes are needed for reliable communications. It could also mean that Shivan comm tech is inferior to Terran and Vasudan tech.

Beyond the 3rd Knossos portal? Its anybody's guess. More shivans, definitely. Shivan Installation? Possible. Shivan planet, also possible. Shivan civillans, also possible. Like I said, anybody's guess.

Should've been a campaign done about what lied beyond THAT. Shame that capella was sealed off, as was any chance of making campaigns of going back there.

But what if someone did a campaign of re-opening the Vega - Capella node ... *wink wink , nudge nudge to developers  )

Shh. Vasudan! SHH! Don't make me do spoilers!

[Vasudan Commander]

Actually, the comm nodes could mean that the Shivan homeworld, or at least, nearest Shivan Installation (shudder. Imagine hitting a Shivan Installation) is of enough distance that the comm nodes are needed for reliable communications. It could also mean that Shivan comm tech is inferior to Terran and Vasudan tech.

Beyond the 3rd Knossos portal? Its anybody's guess. More shivans, definitely. Shivan Installation? Possible. Shivan planet, also possible. Shivan civillans, also possible. Like I said, anybody's guess.

Should've been a campaign done about what lied beyond THAT. Shame that capella was sealed off, as was any chance of making campaigns of going back there.

But what if someone did a campaign of re-opening the Vega - Capella node ... *wink wink , nudge nudge to developers  )

Shh. Vasudan! SHH! Don't make me do spoilers!

*eggs you on to do spoilers, or at least point him in the right direction*

[Hades]

The Lucifer fleet was probably a rogue fleet, I think.
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I remember seeing some were, that in fact, The Lucifer Was a Scouting fleet.Because it was so small.

[S-99]

Well another thing's for sure, only 3 knossoses were encountered. The gamma drac knossos, nubula knossos, and the knossos that lied beyond the nebula knossos in the binary star system.

Here's is as follows, when you see a knossos, on the other end of the jump node there won't be one. That's why we only encountered 3 and not 6.

Apparently it only takes one knossos device on one end of a subspace node to keep that node stable, because when you get into the nebula from gamma draconis, you don't see a knossos on the other side of that subspace node. And when you encounter the second knossos, when you go on the other side of that, there isn't a knossos on the other end of that node. And in the binary system where you'll end up at the end of the second knossos subspace node, 150 clicks out you'll see a 3rd knossos where all of the sathani are coming from. And chances are, yet again, on the other end of the subspace node of the third knossos there won't be another knossos. It's quite apparent it takes only 1 knossos device from one side of a subspace node to keep a subspace node stabilized.

[Stormkeeper]

Actually, the comm nodes could mean that the Shivan homeworld, or at least, nearest Shivan Installation (shudder. Imagine hitting a Shivan Installation) is of enough distance that the comm nodes are needed for reliable communications. It could also mean that Shivan comm tech is inferior to Terran and Vasudan tech.

Beyond the 3rd Knossos portal? Its anybody's guess. More shivans, definitely. Shivan Installation? Possible. Shivan planet, also possible. Shivan civillans, also possible. Like I said, anybody's guess.

Should've been a campaign done about what lied beyond THAT. Shame that capella was sealed off, as was any chance of making campaigns of going back there.

But what if someone did a campaign of re-opening the Vega - Capella node ... *wink wink , nudge nudge to developers  )

Shh. Vasudan! SHH! Don't make me do spoilers!

*eggs you on to do spoilers, or at least point him in the right direction*

Oh, my campaign explores that. But I can't do more then 8-missions until

a) I get a mod of my own
b) I find models that i can use and get the requisite permission.

[colecampbell666]

Maybe the Shivs started sending the juggs because we were getting close to their home systems.

[Stormkeeper]

Its a theory i'm exploring. Its another theory i'm exploring is the possibility of another faction that are holding their own against the Shivans, and the Shivans needed the Sathanas fleet to push deeper into that faction's territory.

[colecampbell666]

So you mean that the Saths were just passing through and Capella was sort of the way to the enemy system?

[Stormkeeper]

Nope. My theory is that the enemy system was at the other end of the universe; conventional subspace would be too slow. By the time they reached, the Shivans might have lost the war. So the Sathani used Capella's sun to tear a whole through the fabric of space, and use the energy from the explosion to travel back to their system's jump node. It would make sense that the gravitational force of the sun would actually make the barrier between subspace and normal space weaker, so they destroyed to sun to aid in returning home quickly. As for the Sathani that remained behind, those are some of the loose ends i need to tie up.

[Wobble73]

The Sathani that were left behind were pawns in the great game! In other words they were sacrificed in order to open this gateway to their own system. (You quite clearly see all the lights go out on the Sathani left behind, either they were too badly damaged, battling their way to Capella or as they were the final few to reach Capella they didn't have enough time to recharge before using the subspace weapon thingy)

Possible explanation perhaps as to why some of the Saths were left behind???   

[Stormkeeper]

My theory? Is that the remaining Juggernaughts were left behind so that once the major threat to the Shivans was neutralized, they didn't have to 'walk' all the way back; they already trashed the Colosuss. Nothing else has the firepower/armour to stand toe to toe with a SJ, and the Colosuss killed a neutered SJ too. The remaining Juggys were left so that they could kick the GTVA's ass left pronto, without having to move the whole fleet back.

[Wobble73]

My theory? Is that the remaining Juggernaughts were left behind so that once the major threat to the Shivans was neutralized, they didn't have to 'walk' all the way back; they already trashed the Colosuss. Nothing else has the firepower/armour to stand toe to toe with a SJ, and the Colosuss killed a neutered SJ too. The remaining Juggys were left so that they could kick the GTVA's ass left pronto, without having to move the whole fleet back.

How could they do that after the star went nova???? And they being closest to it would be the first to be wiped out! Or are you suggesting that Sathani are powerful enough to withstand a supernova!

[TrashMan]

NOTHING can resist a supernova...NOTHING.

[Stormkeeper]

That's true, which is why i said it was a loose end. Probably, you'll find a nebula on the other side, possibly an emp nebula. And a whole bunch of juggernaught wreckages.

Although an alternative is that the Juggys went dark in order to activate the sheath shielding system which the Lucifer had. With 4 BFReds, multiple engines, it would be impossible to sustain a sheath shield and fight at the same time; the Lucifer had 5 reactors and only 2 beam weapons. If this is the case, you might find the juggys, badly damaged but still alive.

Another case: We know that the sheath shield is invulnerble to both energy and projectiles; who's to say that the shield's wavelength can't be changed to one that is inverse of the energy produced by the supernova? If the shivans are capable of doing that, then the Juggys could be still alive. Of course this is based on my theory that the sheath shield is tuned to a wavelength that enables it to absorb the energy produced by conventional weapons; i.e lasers, cannons, missiles, bombs. This could be what renders the Lucy invincible. If the shield can be recalibrated to absorb the energy produced by the supernova, why can't they survive?

[Snail]

If the shield can be recalibrated to absorb the energy produced by the supernova, why can't they survive?

For the same reasons sitting in a bath won't save you from a nuclear explosion.

[TrashMan]

The supernova is the most powerfull explosion in the universe - the ammount of energy released by it is mindbloglingly huge.  It VAPORIZES whole planets and spreds onwards.
In fact, IIRC scientist recently dicovered a even bigger supernova.

And there is no such thing as invulnerabiltiy...it's only the matter of not enough applied force

[Polpolion]

I am invulnerable to too much force, not enough force, and just the right amount of force.


And I like your new title, trashman. A bit long, though.

[karajorma]

The supernova is the most powerfull explosion in the universe

From what I understand whatever causes gamma-ray bursts are bigger. AFAIK the leading theory is a hypernova (don't you just love inflation in astronomical terms. I'm waiting for a meganova).

[colecampbell666]

Nope. My theory is that the enemy system was at the other end of the universe; conventional subspace would be too slow. By the time they reached, the Shivans might have lost the war. So the Sathani used Capella's sun to tear a whole through the fabric of space, and use the energy from the explosion to travel back to their system's jump node. It would make sense that the gravitational force of the sun would actually make the barrier between subspace and normal space weaker, so they destroyed to sun to aid in returning home quickly. As for the Sathani that remained behind, those are some of the loose ends i need to tie up.

That's what I meant. I meant that they were just passing through and the supernova wasn't an act against the GTVA directly, although it was probably a bonus for the Shivs.