[TrashMan]

It is possible that the Eriksson has detected the node, but unstable jump nodes are not on the maps...and are useless...

[S-99]

How the hell would you "disrupt" that balance on a sun?

The whole human nuclear arsenal combined is insignificant comapred to one solar flare.

Hell you could hurl Earth itself into the Sun and that still wouldn't make it go nova...

We're talking energy levels and forces so mindblogingly huge that you can't practicly comprehend them....

Geez, i'm not talking about blowing up a star per say. I mentioned the way you could do this is by removing mass from the sun. I also mentioned in many binary star systems that this alraedy happens. One star with it's gravity will start pulling mass from the other star, and by removing mass from a star, it'll eventually go critical after a certain amount of time where it starts blasting out some of it's mass in a huge cosmological event because quite easily the contracting/expanding balance stars have would have easily been disrupted.

Now the gtva should build a huge ass vacuum cleaner in space or subspace vortex that can be held open.

[blackhole]

black holes. (they are reoccuring explosions)

 

NO.

Material falling into a black hole heats up to the point where it emits X-rays, and can cause large explosions en-masse, but a blackhole is NOT, in any sense of the word, recurring explosions.

How the hell would you "disrupt" that balance on a sun?

The whole human nuclear arsenal combined is insignificant comapred to one solar flare.

Hell you could hurl Earth itself into the Sun and that still wouldn't make it go nova...

We're talking energy levels and forces so mindblogingly huge that you can't practicly comprehend them....

Geez, i'm not talking about blowing up a star per say. I mentioned the way you could do this is by removing mass from the sun. I also mentioned in many binary star systems that this alraedy happens. One star with it's gravity will start pulling mass from the other star, and by removing mass from a star, it'll eventually go critical after a certain amount of time where it starts blasting out some of it's mass in a huge cosmological event because quite easily the contracting/expanding balance stars have would have easily been disrupted.

Now the gtva should build a huge ass vacuum cleaner in space or subspace vortex that can be held open.

We're talking some kind of weird ass subspace weapon that defies the laws of physics. It has been shown in simulations that it is possible, on large enough scales, to destabilize a star. We have no idea what the heck the shivans are capable of doing, but judging from their insane technological supriority and seemingly limitless supply of resources, i wouldn't put it past them to make a star go supernova.

It is, however, completely and totally absurd that something could ever survive a supernova (and yes, they have discovered Hypernova, which are apparently over 200 times more powerful then supernova and are speculated to be caused by collapsing supergiants). For that matter, the remnants of a star that small (Capella appears to be a medium-range star similar to our own sun) would be rather insubstantial and nowhere near as thick as the nebulas normally seen in the game.

[Gamma_Draconis]

Maybe the Knosso portals weren't made by the Ancients. Maybe they were made by an even older civilization.

[Dark Hunter]

Knossos devices are ALL the same from the outside--it appears to me that they were mass-produced (there are 3+ Knossos devices, meaning that there are 12+ of each of the two unique parts). That being said, they would likely have to be ferried into position and calibrated to work as either stabilizer or destabilizer. If, in the condition, that they were stabilizers, how would the Ancients have known where to point the Knossos devices? Wouldn't they rather "practice" on a known node? If they can figure out how to calibrate the Knossos devices properly, there would no longer be anything stopping them from ever again expanding--they have the artificial means to leave galaxies.

I think the idea was that Knossos devices are built on a pre-existing, but too unstable to travel, subspace node.
The Knossos would then stabilize the node (apparently pretty quickly), and slowly begin the permanent stabilization process.

There is no evidence to suggest that a Knossos can create a subspace corridor out of nothing (the in-game texts theorize that a Knossos could create a node, but IIRC that was still in the early stages of examining the Knossos, before they really knew aything about it).

[Sir T]

I guess I have had the benefit of playing the campaign in the last few days but yes there is no suggestion anywhere that the knossos could create a jump node out of nothing. The admiral does not even suggest that possibility.

The reason that the portal was not detected 15 years ago is that it was inactive. The reason it suddenly went active is that Bosch sneaked a force into Gamma Draconis and turned it on. Thats why you find NTF Terran ships inside the nebula when The Aquitane entered the Knossos itself. There was terren wrecks around the Trinity that you run across before finding the ship itself ergo there was a larger force that went into the Knossos. Maybe they were trying to hide inside the jump node and got trapped when the shivans showed up.

Turning on the knossos drew the shivans attention. Its very possible they had no idea about its existence themselves, but thats speculation. Regardless, they seemed VERY anxious to slam that door shut.

As to how Bosch knew it was there, who knows? That is lost in the mystery of plot.

[jr2]

I just played through the campaign past that point... Command surmises that Bosch knew of the Knossos because of his access to Ancient documents that were found on (whatever the name of that planet was, Altair?)  Anyways, he had access to the Ancient documents, so apparently he found enough info to know the Knossos location and turn it on.

[Snail]

Maybe the Knosso portals weren't made by the Ancients. Maybe they were made by an even older civilization.

Possible, but I find it unlikely. Bosch said something about the supernova of the nebula happening 8,000 years ago. The Ancients could have gone there, built the second Knossos portal (Knossos II by GTVA standards), met the Shivans in the nebula and then disappeared.

[Gamma_Draconis]

There were other civilizations before the Ancients too. I wonder how they reacted to the Shivans.

[Snail]

Let's list the mainstream:

-Hello, we are the <blah> and we are - OMG THEY'RE SHOOTING AT US

-DIEMOTHERFRAKKINGOFFWOLDER!

[TrashMan]

The Knossos 2 is IN the nebula and I doubt it was constructed before the star went nova...or it would have been vaporized..

I guess it's one of the last knosses the Ancients built.. they come in the nebula, build a knossos only to shivans invade...or something like that...

[Snail]

Yes, that's what I said.

[Stormkeeper]

Now, wonder what happened  to bosch.

[Dark Hunter]

He died.

[Stormkeeper]

Did he now? As far as the canon story is concerned, Bosch and his closest sub-ordinates were taken by the Shivans. There's no record of him dying.

[Dark Hunter]

I was joking.

[Snail]

Bosch is in a transport full of bloodthirsty and xenocidal aliens. Unless ETAK really works properly (which I suppose it does), he is dead.

[Dark Hunter]

Actually, Snail, if they killed him aboard the transport, why didn't they just kill him aboard the Iceni? They know he somehow contacted them, and they want him alive for reasons we can only guess at.

I actually think there's a pretty good chance of him still being alive.

[Snail]

Hmm... Yeah.

After rethinking, there's a bigger chance of him being alive than dead. Since they took him, they definitely want something from him. JOURNEY OF THE FORGOTTEN FTW!!!!!!!!

[Dark Hunter]

I wonder if he was on board one of the Sathanas that escaped Capella...