[Polpolion]

Then don't read them.

[Mars]

I think the key advantage the Shivans have is numbers... one Sathanas is screwed by the gigaton weaponry, but 80 Sathani...

[TrashMan]

Still think SW numbers are bogus...I mean ..SW and real physics????

Read a few of these:

http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cast/starwars.html

[haloboy100]

Still think SW numbers are bogus...I mean ..SW and real physics????

Your right. they just don't fit together in the same universe!

[Mars]

Both of the universes don't make logical sense, basically in opposite ways

[TrashMan]

Opposite ways?

[Ace Pace]

Still think SW numbers are bogus...I mean ..SW and real physics????

Read a few of these:

http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cast/starwars.html

The fact that star wars uses methods of power(such as hypermatter) that are not known to us(being completly imaginary) does not mean we cannot apply simple physics to quantify the more obvious parts of the movies, such as planets exploding, in order to get a rough number for the power capabilities of differant things.

Adding things we are not aware of does not mean that the simpler physics do not apply.

I think the key advantage the Shivans have is numbers... one Sathanas is screwed by the gigaton weaponry, but 80 Sathani...

The death star has thousands of turbolasers, nevermind the opening post here specified a single lucifer class, which in all likelihood would be far harder to destroy then the Sathanas, which do not appear to have any sort of shielding.

[Gamma_Draconis]

Well, if all else fails, the Shivans can lure the Death star and its fleet to a sun and then it set it to go supernova and jump out. Or, they can just send AlphaOne to slowly destroy the DS.

[TrashMan]

The fact that star wars uses methods of power(such as hypermatter) that are not known to us(being completly imaginary) does not mean we cannot apply simple physics to quantify the more obvious parts of the movies, such as planets exploding, in order to get a rough number for the power capabilities of differant things.

Adding things we are not aware of does not mean that the simpler physics do not apply.

Ok, they may have some superpowersource (hard to belive given that the fusion reacion is the most powerufll source of energy observed in the universe).. lets assume it so.
That still means that a ordinary soldier - heck an ordinary mercenary - has acess to incredible ammounts of power.

The concept is similar to us drawing nucler powered cars...just immagine what would happen in a car chrash *BOOOM*...OR put guerilla or terrorists in that equation. When you have small, obnoxiously powerfull energy sources you run into a problem that doesn't necesarily defiy physics, but defies logic...

[Mars]

Opposite ways?

Yes, opposite ways: in the Freespace universe everything moves ridiculously slowly, power levels are far too low; a GTF Hercules mk II a front line fighter in the FS universe moves at 55 mps, slower than a C-130 Hercules... a real life military freighter at 169 mps, or an X-wing, at 400 mps (66 mps faster than sound at sea level).

In the same way, a death star laser has the equivalent power of 2.39 X 10²² (10³² J /4.184 X 10⁹) tons of TNT... greater than the energy the Sun puts out per second 9.15×10¹³... a ridiculous amount of energy for a ship to generate. The only value weapon data in Freespace is the Harbinger and the Banshee, the Harbinger is a 5 gigajoule warhead.... a little more than a ton of TNT (4.184 gigajoules) kinda dinkey... but believeable. It takes 313 Harbingers to take down a Sathanas, a single super laser would do the job... many times over. Sufficed to say the FS universe is crazily underpowered and the Star Wars universe is hopelessly overpowered.

So there 

[Polpolion]

Well, if all else fails, the Shivans can lure the Death star and its fleet to a sun and then it set it to go supernova and jump out. Or, they can just send AlphaOne to slowly destroy the DS.

How could the Shivans send Alpha one to destroy the DS?

[haloboy100]

more then likely alpha one would get pissed at the racket and kill everything to begin with...

[S-99]

Well, A1 could fly to the same exhaust shaft as luke in his x-wing on the death star and like launch a trebuchet in there and get the same job done.

[Mars]

Except that the fighter A1 is flying is 1/8 as fast and many orders of magnitude more fragile

[TigerVX]

Except that the fighter A1 is flying is 1/8 as fast and many orders of magnitude more fragile

...

We are talking about -ALPHA ONE-, right!?!?!?

Besides, he could just gun down the entire Tie fighter wings in waves, blow up all the turrets on one side, Helios the navigation subsystem, and then sit their pecking at the Death Star with six maxim guns, using half the GTVA logistical navy to bring him a constant stream of Helios bombs. It'll blow, eventually. It always does

[Cobra]

*slaps forehead* For god's sake people, stop arguing with Mars and Ace Pace. They're both right on every account.

Freespace ships move in meters per second. Star Wars ships move in equivalent to kilometers per second. It only seems the same because in the games the ships are pretty damn far off, though subspace has an edge over hyperspace. It take seven minutes to jump from Delta Serpentis to Sol, while it takes the Millenium Falcon, in all its .5 past light speed (LIGHT SPEED, man!) to get to Alderaan. Admittedly, light speed is fast, but it's seven minutes, man.

The Lucifer would easily defeat the Serenity and the Voyager, and in turn the Death Star would easily defeat the Lucifer because it has magical planet-exploding lasers. If we're talking about the Death Star II, it could easily take out all three ships with minimal damage, and if they get too close it could unleash the thousands of turbolaser batteries it houses, and that much firepower even without the laser would overwhelm even the strongest shields. Hell, it has an edge over a Sathanas, possibly a fleet of 'em.

Any Death Star would win, hands down.

[Ace Pace]

Ok, they may have some superpowersource (hard to belive given that the fusion reacion is the most powerufll source of energy observed in the universe).. lets assume it so.

You are aware there are several power source potentially more powerful then fusion, among them simple anti-matter, which is a known subject and has been researched.

That still means that a ordinary soldier - heck an ordinary mercenary - has acess to incredible ammounts of power.

And? And most ships have acess to an incredible amount of shielding power.

The concept is similar to us drawing nucler powered cars...just immagine what would happen in a car chrash *BOOOM*.

You do know that nuclear powered reactors are not...nuclear bombs, right? Just making sure I'm talking to someone who knows something.

..OR put guerilla or terrorists in that equation.

And in-universe in the SW verse, they have acess to such weapons, and are a danger, your point being?

When you have small, obnoxiously powerfull energy sources you run into a problem that doesn't necesarily defiy physics, but defies logic...

Only in your mind does a power source somehow defy logic, just because you say it does doesn't mean it actully does.

[TrashMan]

Except that the fighter A1 is flying is 1/8 as fast and many orders of magnitude more fragile

Shileds in FS2 seem to able to take quite a beating..and regenerate quickly..

X-Wing shields (which are supposed to be strong) are taken donw VERY fast - look at hte moves - 3 shots, the X-Wing's dead..


@MARS -  my real question would be how is ST opposite to SW, not FS2...but a good answer..

But isn't the MX-50 a 15kT warhead?

[TrashMan]

*slaps forehead* For god's sake people, stop arguing with Mars and Ace Pace. They're both right on every account.

Freespace ships move in meters per second. Star Wars ships move in equivalent to kilometers per second.

Really? That's in the books? From the moves, they aren't that fast... Just look at them chasing the MF in the asteroid field...when they nearly chrash...you call that fast?

[TrashMan]

Ok, they may have some superpowersource (hard to belive given that the fusion reacion is the most powerufll source of energy observed in the universe).. lets assume it so.

You are aware there are several power source potentially more powerful then fusion, among them simple anti-matter, which is a known subject and has been researched.

That still means that a ordinary soldier - heck an ordinary mercenary - has acess to incredible ammounts of power.

And? And most ships have acess to an incredible amount of shielding power.

The concept is similar to us drawing nucler powered cars...just immagine what would happen in a car chrash *BOOOM*.

You do know that nuclear powered reactors are not...nuclear bombs, right? Just making sure I'm talking to someone who knows something.

..OR put guerilla or terrorists in that equation.

And in-universe in the SW verse, they have acess to such weapons, and are a danger, your point being?

When you have small, obnoxiously powerfull energy sources you run into a problem that doesn't necesarily defiy physics, but defies logic...

Only in your mind does a power source somehow defy logic, just because you say it does doesn't mean it actully does.

1. My profesor works at CEARN where they produce antimatter...he's one of the lead scientists there, so I know what I'm talking about. You spend MORE energy to create antimatter then you get from a mater-antimatter reaction. Why do you think they only produce small ammounts of it for study purposes if it ralyl is such a efficient energy source...

2. You're perfectly OK with a concept of society where every citizen has the means to blow up the city? And you really think a society like that could exist? Just Bob tinkering in his garage and making a mistake could level the block, let alone if people would activly try to make things go boom.