[Locutus of Borg]

I have a theory about the Knossos portals that's probably been borught up before.

The nebula on the other side of K1 is the result of a star going Nova. Is it possible the Ancients were trying to leave behind a warning about the Shivans by taking us back to Capella, but several thousand years in the future?

[Gamma_Draconis]

I don't think so. The viewed the Ancients as selfish, arrogant, and racist. They did after all, conquer many species. At least the GTVA didn't try doing something like that.

[Shade]

The GTVA didn't meet any species before the Shivans. So there was not much conquering to be done. Well, aside from meeting eachother of course, which as we all know ended up with both sides trying to conquer the other until the real bad guys showed up

[Gamma_Draconis]

The GTVA didn't meet any species before the Shivans. So there was not much conquering to be done. Well, aside from meeting eachother of course, which as we all know ended up with both sides trying to conquer the other until the real bad guys showed up

Na, they weren't trying to conquer each other. It was more like,

Terran -  "I don't like your shoes, I'm gonna kill you now."
Vasudan - "Well, I don't like your gloves, so we're gonna demolish your existance!"

The ancients were more like,

Alien - "Hello, we come in peace."
Ancient - "Omg! Its a bunch of inferior people! Lets enslave and/or destroy their civilization!"

[Mad Bomber]

I think it was more like,

Zods: "We don't like you spreading all over the place and taking all the planets and resources, which we need since our homeworld is such a sandhole."
Monkeys: "OMFGJ THEY BLOCK OUR MANIFEST DESTINY, ANGER"
Zods: "Crap, they're aggressive, short-sighted, and rude. This can't end well. So, preemptive war, since those crazy humans are bound to attack us first otherwise."
Monkeys: "WTF! RETALIATION!"

[Vasudan Commander]

I think FS2 contradicts itself. Bosch said in one of his monologues that the Ancients died 10,000 years ago, yet Dr Hargrove said the Knossos portal was only 'several thousand years old'.

So if the Ancients were dead, how could they make it ?

Someone else must've made it... 

[Hades]

Go play PI. It is fun but hard.Suggested Mode is Very easy.

[Vasudan Commander]

Go play PI. It is fun but hard.Suggested Mode is Very easy.

I did and couldn't get through it. Those stealth missions are too hard.


I'm a stealth noob.  Give me a medusa and i'll bring down an Orion for you.

[Hades]

Same they were freaking hard.(Just do them five times if you lose five times you can skip ).I also can take out a interceptor in a  Ursa better than i can in a Herc........(Hercs suck ).

[Locutus of Borg]

PI?

[Hades]

Procyon Insurgency.A good Campaign but hard as ****.

[BlueFlames]

Give me a medusa and i'll bring down an Orion for you.

I'm astounded by your mad bomber skills!  Brazenly attacking a ship with blindspots on only four of six sides?  MADNESS! 

Seriously, though, I think that the writers at Volition had enough sense to stay away from time-travel plots.  They typically don't work out well, as they come off as pretty cheesy.  In all likelihood, the first Knossos leading to a nebula was probably just coincidence.  If you want to build significance upon Bosch's 'Nine Cities of Troy' analogy, you could posit that the Shivans were responsible for creating the nebula beyond Gamma Draconis, and the species that existed there before collapsed the node(s) to that system, which the Ancients then stabilized with the Knossos device.  Unfortunately, this parallel would all have to be based on assumption, as there is no canonical evidence of an older species existing in Gamma Draconis, prior to the Ancients.

[Locutus of Borg]

can I have a link to download it?

[Hades]

http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,46817.0.html

There have fun.

[G0atmaster]

yeah, that's one I didn't think of.  I had thought the ancients were living beyond Gamma Draconis, and Shivans invaded, so they collapsed the Gamma Draconis-beyond node as it went supernova, Ancients built up a fleet they thought was somehow superior to 90+ Sathies, used the knossos to reopen their nodes, and brought another invasion upon themselves.

[AlphaOne]

An older species does not necesarily mean a more advanced species. I mean the ancients were exploring through subspace at a time when humans were probably still living as nomads or something like that yet at the time their empire was destroyed by the shivans the only real advantage they had over the GTA/PVN during FS1 was they subspace tech . Other then that they were pretty much at the same level as terrans and vasudans during FS1.

So they were how shall I say this a stagnant race. Not as much as the shiavans but still a stagnant race. The reason would be because they believed themselfs so superior that they did not bother to keep improving as before they tech.

Remember one of the discutions between the pilots and comand I believe during FS2 when some rokie said that the shivans were fighting with just great war relics  and "well show them what firepower is all about" or something like that....

Also one of the had an opinion that comand should just close the portal seal up the node and let the shivans alone and that hunting after shivans was a waste of time....and the reply was something like "don't fool yourself pilot were the ones beeing hunted" (How true) (Stupid rookie pilot)!

Then the shivans bring out the Ravana and all goes down hill pretty fast. He wanted to see firepower did he? Ho got more then he ever dreamed of.

The point is that war with the shivans has pushed the GTVA tech far more then they could of ever dream of. Also after Capella I bet there ae even more techs beeing researched basd of shivan tech. Also let us not forget the Knossos which has the abilaty to open up a whole new era in expansion for the GTVA.

[S-99]

Ummm, making a star go nova does not make the nodes in the system disappear. All you do is make a star go nova and the nodes stay. I think there's enough evidence in the story to show off that the nebula beyond gamma drac. was a star that went nova a long time ago induced by the shivans.

[Vasudan Commander]

Give me a medusa and i'll bring down an Orion for you.

I'm astounded by your mad bomber skills!  Brazenly attacking a ship with blindspots on only four of six sides?  MADNESS! 

erm......   .....shuddup im a good bomber!  

[AlphaOne]

s-99 as far as we can tell the shivans were using a knossos to enter the nebula. so did the GTVa and Bosch. So basicly the knossos artificyali created a node that in time became permanent. It must be some sort of side effect of the knossos's prelonged presence.

[Snail]

s-99 as far as we can tell the shivans were using a knossos to enter the nebula. so did the GTVa and Bosch. So basicly the knossos artificyali created a node that in time became permanent. It must be some sort of side effect of the knossos's prelonged presence.

Play mission 'Argonautica.' The Aquitaine jumps to a JUMP NODE, not a Knossos portal, into Gamma Drax. That seems to reason that it was the Gamma Draconis - Nebula Jump Node was unstable, not the Nebula - Gamma Draconis Jump Node. Nuking stars does not kill Jump Nodes.