[Mars]

I don't think any of us are under the illusion that it's a form of currency currently in use.

The spam seems to be getting thick around here.

[Vasudan Commander]

Spam rhymes with Ham. 

[Mathwiz6]

Clearly, it's not dollars. But it's an equivalent value, which is sufficient for us today to understand.

The issue is, they probably have more money, without inflation, given that they have more resources.

[AlphaOne]

Well 1 Orion cost a whole lot of money so I imagine that the newer classes cost even more. Also let us not forget that whyle a destroyer would take about 1 year to complete for its crew salary to amount to the value of the destroyer they first have to survive that long. Then we must imagine that even if the salary would be that much it would still be a very cheap when compared to the actual benefits of the said destroyer and a experienced crew.

You can not replace experience no matter how much you try or spend. So in the long run the GTVA would consider that keeping safe its teritory is more important then the actual cost of the crews.

I imagine they dedicate a whole lot of meny to the milatary force of the GTVA much more then they would care to spend on something else.

also they control several inhabited planets perhaps half of thenm are used for mining and economical activity even more then half and the rest for actual living space. There must be a lot of comuting around .....!

Hell if I were them i'd dedicate up to 70% of the total income generated to the milatary ! If the civ. population have a problem they can go take it out with the shivans if they do not aprove.

Also ther are sure to be some sort of recruitment gooing around in the GTVA altough not of the full scale tipe whre milatary is mandatory but in cases where the GTVA needs soldiers pilots etc they can just recruit them . altough such a thing would be very useless after capella since I can imagine the enlistment offices would be overrun with volunteers. Some of them Because it may give them a war bed and a hot meal some of the for a chance to take revenge on the shivans ! Anyway if they considered it worthwhile to build the collie then a destroyer would be dirtcheap to them.


The only real problem I see is how do you balance the need for new moder warships which would be very high after capella with the problem of gooing out of meney in a very short amount of time. Since I believe the GTVA has the abilaty to build faster then thei can pay for everithing.

[Woolie Wool]

In my theory, it would probably cost the same as buying an expensive car as it would to build a space fighter, given that the national-state of the world became a global-state, and put aside petty squabbling and humanity united to turn its eyes towards the stars.

Think about it. How much do you suppose the world, as a w(hole), spends on military a year? all that metal, logistics, and funds put to waste making war against fellow man, when it could be put into science.

If there was no war, we'd have the moon settled in 5 years, and mars settled in 15.

So how's life in your wonderful, war-free utopia? Been conquered lately? You will be. How are you going to incorporate these nation-states into your world state without killing people? There are millions and millions of people who will gladly kill you to keep ahold of their nation-states.

Society is defined by Uses and Thems, and the only way to have a world-state is to make all of humanity an Us, which then gives you the need for a Them.

Unless you have some of these nearby to use for whipping up outward aggression and paranoia, your world-state won't last long:



Also, your theory is very ill-informed. Even civilian aircraft costs many millions of dollars. An expensive car is only around $70,000. Military aircraft are even more expensive due to their more advanced technologies, materials, and design (Cessna and Gulfstream don't sell F-22s). All those military toys are very, very expensive.

Also, the costs of those 100 Ursas might actually be more than the Orion. Hell, four B-2 Spirits are the same price as a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier.

[haloboy100]

Yeah, he does have a point there. IF everybody was as peaceful and diplomatic as the Vasudans, there wouldn't be any wars around(and, hell, I'm sure they have had some civil wars in their history). But, being as aggressive and idealistic as humans are, there are bound to be some violent disagreements, and thats when wars come in. War is an inevitable thing in human culture.

[Dark Hunter]

The Vasudans have never particularly struck me as "peaceful" and "diplomatic"... at least, not any moreso than humans.

Kinda hard for them to be completely diplomatic when they are as arrogant as they are.

[Woolie Wool]

Yeah, he does have a point there. IF everybody was as peaceful and diplomatic as the Vasudans, there wouldn't be any wars around(and, hell, I'm sure they have had some civil wars in their history). But, being as aggressive and idealistic as humans are, there are bound to be some violent disagreements, and thats when wars come in. War is an inevitable thing in human culture.

I just used the Vasudan picture as a general representation of aliens.

[Flipside]

Spam rhymes with Ham. 

Lock rhymes with 'Dont be a....'

[Topgun]

Sock!!?!!

[Hades]

c***!!?!??

[Topgun]

[napoleon dynamite] I knew what the word was! GOD! [\napoleon dynamite]

[Hades]

   That kid was EMO so bad.

[foolfromhell]

IF everybody was as peaceful and diplomatic as the Vasudans,

The Vasudans falsely blamed the Humans for a gang war caused by Vasudans and they waged war.
The GTVA would have been formed some 40 years earlier, but the Vasudans blamed the Terrans for an internal Vasudan conflict.

[Dark Hunter]

Say what? I've never heard of that. Not from in-game texts nor from the FSRefBible, or from any other canon source I've read.

I don't believe any canon source ever states the original cause of the T-V War.

[achtung]

In my theory, it would probably cost the same as buying an expensive car as it would to build a space fighter, given that the national-state of the world became a global-state, and put aside petty squabbling and humanity united to turn its eyes towards the stars.

Think about it. How much do you suppose the world, as a w(hole), spends on military a year? all that metal, logistics, and funds put to waste making war against fellow man, when it could be put into science.

If there was no war, we'd have the moon settled in 5 years, and mars settled in 15.

Major advancements in Rocket Science were made during wartime, for war.

[foolfromhell]

Say what? I've never heard of that. Not from in-game texts nor from the FSRefBible, or from any other canon source I've read.

I don't believe any canon source ever states the original cause of the T-V War.

http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Terran-Vasudan_War#January:

[Flipside]

Yup, not canon, though, in all fairness, you never claimed it was

[AlphaOne]

Well I believe that when a race achieves he absolue high in its evolution as a species it either ends up bowing itself up or choses a rather pacifistic way of doog thigs. This is not to say that they do not advance theyr weapons and such its just that they usualy spend theyr time talking then fighting.

Or ather it should be that when a species if advanced enough so that it no longer considers ANY other race as a threat to them they usualy should go about peacefully exporing and making friends. Now i know this is childish thinking but what the hel one can only hope.

As far as the shivans go....were from mi POV they  are a stagnanat and dead ace as far as its future goes. so unless they find a new way of dooing hings in the long run the shivans will become and endangere species. I mean look at the GTVA in general they achived the same teh level of the shivans with een a few minor advantages here and there. And the GTVA is only in its infancy so to speak. In the long run the GTVA will prove to become muh more powerfull then the shivans ever dreamed if they keep this up. I mean the GTVA has managed to take cuantum steps in its development of new tech in a matter of years now imagine how far they will go in a century or a milenia.

Asuming the shivans dont blats them by then

[jr2]

Why does everyone have to use the B-2 and F-22 when comparing with an Ursa?  Try a B-52.  Or F-B-111.  Or even a B-1B.  The Ursa is not a stealth bomber!