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Offline Flipside

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Nope, it's a defect, just like limbs, just like triploblastic body shapes, just like lungs, gills, eyes, smell and a million other things that creatures use to survive on a daily basis. Every single one of them is a defect that has carried on until it divides that organism into a distinct species. That's how evolution works, and if you believe in Creation, it gets worse, because either God creates gay men (and women), or he makes mistakes.

So, in a way, homosexuality is a defect, but that does not neccesarily mean it is a bad or restrictive one, just like having limbs, eyes or intelligence. It's certainly not speceitic divider, it is not impossible for a Homosexual to breed, they merely choose not to (and considering the adoption debate, it's not that they have no urge to raise young). Once again, to refer to the animal kingdom, look at Bonobo monkeys, a society that is almost entirely bisexual, yet male/male or female/female sex serves no discernible purpose other than as a recreational or social past-time. What defines our own reaction to homosexuality is purely a social effect, just as we find Excess weight undesireable now, but a century ago, it was the preferred shape, I also wouldn't be surprised if societal pressure had a lot more to play in people being homosexual, rather than bisexual. Remember, monogomy is the accepted norm, so they can either be one or the other. There's this assumption that Gay men look at Women in the same light as straight men look at other men, I'm not certain that is the case at all.

It just surprises me that a country adopts a 'Freedom of Expression' clause, creates a monogomous society, and then gets all up in arms when some of that society decides to be same-sex preference because they didn't want that much Freedom of Expression.
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Offline akenbosch

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readin that post, i think that homosexuals=non-breeding child raisers


they're more civilized than us, then, but rely on us to raise children (adoption).

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Offline Polpolion

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they're more civilized than us, then, but rely on us to raise children (adoption).

Actually, since heterosexuals make up most of our civilization, we are technically more civilized then them, as we set the norm in the society due to our majority.

 

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civilized=more civil, not barbaric, not ugly to the mind

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Re: Stupid waste of time and money
*Stuff*
You still don't get it, do you?  There is a subtle difference between a change in genetic structure and a change in hormonal balance.  You CAN NOT compare adaptive evolution to brain/nervous function and malfunction.  They are two different things.  One has to do with genetics, the other has to do with hormones.  You might know the two are somewhat related, considering they both have something to do with something else, but that does not make them an identical grounds for comparison.  I'm sorry, sir, you fail.




readin that post, i think that homosexuals=non-breeding child raisers


they're more civilized than us, then, but rely on us to raise children (adoption).
Actually, since heterosexuals make up most of our civilization, we are technically more civilized then them, as we set the norm in the society due to our majority.
civilized=more civil, not barbaric, not ugly to the mind
God dammit guys, will there EVER be a time when you don't make yourselves look like complete imbeciles?
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Oh my god this is too funny....  :)
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Offline Flipside

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 :nod:

So, is it hormonal imbalance or brain/nervous defect, you managed to call it both in the same post, whilst accusing me of not getting it.....

 

Offline akenbosch

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theres a "gay fitness comnunity" banner ad at the top of this page.  :wtf:

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:nod:

So, is it hormonal imbalance or brain/nervous defect, you managed to call it both in the same post, whilst accusing me of not getting it.....
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EDIT:  Ummm...  DIFFERENCES IN HORMONES ARE CAUSED BY THE BRAIN!!
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Last time I checked, most of my sexuality related hormones came from my testes, which, I certainly hope, are not in my brain, though I'm sure there are girls that would disagree.

 

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FFS!!

Did I say hormones were created in the brain?  NO!  I said the imbalances are CAUSED by the brain!  Just because testes can produce certain hormones does not mean it does.  A decapitated man's balls do not release testosterone.  Likewise a highly challenged man's balls do not release a negligible amount of testosterone.  If it does, something is going against the nature of reactive testosterone production.  That is just one of many factors for any of it.  Fact:  Hormone production is demanded by the brain.  If there is something wrong with the brain, or if there is a miscommunication between the brain and testes, then a DEFECT is the most likely outcome...  And that is just the tip of the iceberg.

Oh, and you're right, your testes are not in your brain.
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ITT we think /b/ makes us smart. :p
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I still haven't forgiven Shrike for my title...
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So you are saying that every hormonal imbalance in the history of mankind is caused by a brain defect? Or are you merely generalising and saying that every homosexual has a hormonal problem that can only be caused by an incredibly specific and limited brain defect that has no other negative effect on the person, at least until other societal fears get involved?

You see, it still doesn't go near my original point, which is mankind is not unique in using bisexuality, that societal views can visibly change over time and that homosexuality, even if it IS a 'brain defect' is still a factor of humanity, even if I adhere to your somewhat vague description, which I don't because 'hormonal imbalance' and 'brain defect' are two entirely separate conditions whether you acknowledge it or not, it's still no better than refusing to acknowledge anyone else with some kind of 'disorder'. That's why this is powered by fear and prejudice, because no matter what side of the line you stand, it's still the wrong thing to do.

 

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So you are saying that every hormonal imbalance in the history of mankind is caused by a brain defect?
No.  Missing testes would also cause for a hormonal imbalance.  Or a brain injury.  Or a central nervous system defect/injury.
]Or are you merely generalising and saying that every homosexual has a hormonal problem that can only be caused by an incredibly specific and limited brain defect that has no other negative effect on the person, at least until other societal fears get involved?
I wouldn't put it that way, but yes.  Most (not every) homosexual/bisexual person has a hormonal problem that can only be caused by a vaguely specific and limited brain/CNS defect/injury.  Other homosexual people either do it by choice (rare), or because of a life altering event (i.e. a woman was raped by a man, and associates men with rape).  Either way, specific hormone treatments have been found for the mother of the fetus, and people are continuing research in hormone treatments for adults who are homosexual.
You see, it still doesn't go near my original point, which is mankind is not unique in using bisexuality, that societal views can visibly change over time and that homosexuality, even if it IS a 'brain defect' is still a factor of humanity, even if I adhere to your somewhat vague description, which I don't because 'hormonal imbalance' and 'brain defect' are two entirely separate conditions whether you acknowledge it or not, it's still no better than refusing to acknowledge anyone else with some kind of 'disorder'. That's why this is powered by fear and prejudice, because no matter what side of the line you stand, it's still the wrong thing to do.
No, your original point was that because homosexuality is found in nature (nobody with half a brain will argue against that), it belongs in the same vein as adaptive evolution and natural selection.  Very invalid point.  Also, homosexuality is no more a factor of humanity than narcolepsy.  And for the third time, hormonal imbalances are caused by brain defects.  I also refuse to acknowledge anyone else with that kind of disorder.  It would require too much effort to even differentiate it.  Fear and prejudice are slowly but surely fading away, the majority of people have the mindset of, "OK.  You're gay.  I care." 
Sometimes people think, "STFU about being gay already.  You said it many times before, there's no reason to continue saying it." 
Perhaps even, "Throw that god damned flag away!!  You gay pride activists make me SICK!!  I dont walk down the street in parade, waving a special flag because I'm straight, why should you because you're gay?  Give me one good reason, dip****!!" 

I bet society would accept homosexuals a lot faster if they didn't shove their 'agenda' down our throats...  Pun intended.
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I bet society would accept homosexuals a lot faster if they didn't shove their 'agenda' down our throats...  Pun intended.

No. They wouldn't.

Actually it doesn't really make any difference, since mankind has proven it sucks... If you are gay, you are not part of the "Majority"... and what happens then?

 

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I bet society would accept homosexuals a lot faster if they didn't shove their 'agenda' down our throats...  Pun intended.
It's just a natural reaction after being subject to decades of hate and repression.

Oh, and remind me again why people can't just walk away or, heaven forbid, ignore gay-pride celebrations if they have such a problem with it?

 

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Oh, and remind me again why people can't just walk away or, heaven forbid, ignore gay-pride celebrations if they have such a problem with it?
It's not the celebrations that bother me, it's the people making the celebrations possible.  If even half the black/gay/feminist/democrat demonstrations would cease, the world would be a much better place.  In an ideal world, or a world where reasonable people existed, something of difference would be acknowledged as matter-of-fact, and dismissed just as quickly.  However, as history and human nature has proven time and time again, when the underprivileged get their message across, they just keep going, whether or not the ones in power think like they used to.

Oh well...
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I think the above user is white, hetero, non-feminist, and a reblupican...

 

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How DARE you insist I'm republican!  Those damn gold-pocketers have been in control for far too long!

FIGHT THE POWAH!!

But yes, I am white, hetero, and non-feminist.  I guess that means my ideas aren't valid :(.
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