Author Topic: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?  (Read 39423 times)

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Offline Hades

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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
So did I.
Or I think it was 4 months.
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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
Just a frightening thought:  What kinda mother of beams would we get if a Sathanas overdrives its reactors?   :eek:  The new Colossus would need some long range guns to properly counter (20 k to 30 k range would be sufficient, but the power demands and heatsink requirements for that kinda beam are insane unless the GTVA manages to up the efficiency so that energy loss to heat is minimized and beam cohension can be retained for that range).

 

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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
I know ti may seem a bit strange, but...what if a Sathanas uses its subspace weapon against warships? There's one such feature in Inferno, and there's a reason ;)

 
Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
I know ti may seem a bit strange, but...what if a Sathanas uses its subspace weapon against warships? There's one such feature in Inferno, and there's a reason ;)

The subspace weapon that caused Capella to go supernova?  I suppose the Sathanas could use that on the Colossus, but that takes time to charge up and in that time the Colossus has sufficient time to jump out.

 

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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
I know ti may seem a bit strange, but...what if a Sathanas uses its subspace weapon against warships? There's one such feature in Inferno, and there's a reason ;)

You assume the subspace weapon would have an effect on a warship.  There's no evidence for this, if it would have been some all consuming weapon the Sathanas would have had it charged and used it on the Colossus.
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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
The Sathanas wasn't facing the Colossus directly.

And Sathanas 17 faced a damaged Colossus, a few beam volleys would have been enough.

 

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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
Would it make sense that the subspace weapon could be used tactically? Might the Shivans use the Sathanas juggernauts to blockade the Capella nodes by preventing a subspace field to generate on the other end? Could they be used to stabilize nodes instead of having to construct a Knossos? Both the destruction of the Capella star and the supposed canonical formation of a new jumpnode to a different universe imply that it has both constructive and destructive powers...

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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
If we pay attention to the command briefings, we may deduce that applying the subspace thingamadoodle requires creating the subspace field for quite a long time. I don't remember the exact figures, but the Sathanes were hanging around the sun for several hours, if not even days. I'd imagine that using the sme technique against the Colossus would also demand way too much time to be actually a working method.
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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
The Sathanas wasn't facing the Colossus directly.

And Sathanas 17 faced a damaged Colossus, a few beam volleys would have been enough.

That first Sathanas could've easily turned to face the Colossus, and Sathanas #17 wouldn't have used any subspace weaponry on the Colossus (the subspace pulse seems to drain a MASSIVE amount from a Sathanas' reactors, which is probably why some of the juggernauts didn't/couldn't jump out) since it needs to reserve its power for nuking Capella.  Using it on the Colossus (if it's possible) before the supernova would basically be a delayed suicide, as it would deplete its reactor and leave it without energy for a second pulse or even a subspace jump.

Lobo and MercFox brings up valid points.  If the weapon could be deployed tactically, Capella would've been gone by the time all juggernauts were in position.  Instead, it took several days for them to gradually increase the subspace field around the Capella star before they could use the pulse and cause the supernova.

So, like I was asking earlier, overdriving Sathanas reactors = LRBFRed?  Wonder what kinda range and damage that has  :eek2:

 

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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
That's why they didn't use that weapon on the Colossus: it requires energy. Many Juggernauts, in fact, powered down.

 

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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
How do we know the Sathanas doesn't overdrive it's beams?

 

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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
The beams seem connected to four small engines, but any other system should continue to work in case of overdrive.

 
Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
How do we know the Sathanas doesn't overdrive it's beams?

Overdriving causes damage to the reactor, which is what happened with the Colossus.  The Sathanas just plows through everything in its way without stopping, and with only 4 main guns that need to be supplied, the massive reactors of a Sathanas should have no problems maintaining BFReds as standard armament (look at the Lilith, a reactor that small can support an LRed, laser turrets + subsystems).

Shivans have superior reactors, beams and subspace technology, so under normal conditions they don't need to overdrive (causing supernovas would be one of the few cases where they need to).

Besides, if the Sathanas overdrove the reactors, then the rear anti-cap beam would be a BFRed rather than the normal LRed.

 

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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
Overdriving cause overheating around the beam cannons, AFAIK the reactors weren't the primary problem, also the Colossus continued to move in spite of overdriving its cannons.

 
Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
Overdriving cause overheating around the beam cannons, AFAIK the reactors weren't the primary problem, also the Colossus continued to move in spite of overdriving its cannons.

Then what was the part about the secondary and tertiary reactors going down with fire-control going red-line?  True, the beam batteries did overheat and that was part of the overdrive problem, but the reactors weren't in good shape either after the fight.

In the case of the Sathanas, its forward tips seem to be able to sustain BFReds pretty much indefinitely, so I doubt they were overdriven.

 

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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
then again the sath could of been designed that way! I mean we already know shivans have better beams so why not have better heatsinks and overdrive capabilaties! For al we know it could take up to 100 shots before the shivans have problems with theyr overdire of beams!
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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
How do we know the Sathanas doesn't overdrive it's beams?

Overdriving causes damage to the reactor, which is what happened with the Colossus.  The Sathanas just plows through everything in its way without stopping, and with only 4 main guns that need to be supplied, the massive reactors of a Sathanas should have no problems maintaining BFReds as standard armament (look at the Lilith, a reactor that small can support an LRed, laser turrets + subsystems).

Shivans have superior reactors, beams and subspace technology, so under normal conditions they don't need to overdrive (causing supernovas would be one of the few cases where they need to).

Did it say the reactor started to take damage on the Colossus? Being somewhat of an EE in training, I don't know how this would affect my view, but I would expect the power cabling leading to the beam cannons and actual parts on the beam cannon to overheat and take damage well before they see a problem with the reactor. Maybe if the reactor cooling or containment was compromised in an attack, but everything that was supplied power from the reactors would start to notice a drop in available juice.

then again the sath could of been designed that way! I mean we already know shivans have better beams so why not have better heatsinks and overdrive capabilaties! For al we know it could take up to 100 shots before the shivans have problems with theyr overdire of beams!

I'm sure they could, but with a fleet of 80 Sathanas juggernauts, why would you need to? I think what Fang said about some juggernauts shutting down is the best indication of any kind of overcharging.

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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
In High Noon, the Colossus first shuts down non-essential systems in order to divert power to the beams.  After a bit, Command tells the Colossus to divert more power to weapons, which the Colossus replies back: "heatsinks weren't made for this kind of abuse.  We'll melt down our cannons if we push any harder!"  When the Sathanas is in critical condition, Command comments "The Sathanas hull integrity has fallen below critical!  You're almost there Colossus!", and Colossus replies "Secondary and tertiary reactors are down!  Fire-control is on the verge of red-line!  We're giving it everything we got!"

So, the overdriving of the beams resulted in damage to pretty much everything from the reactors all the way to the beam cannons (beam cannon damaged from overheating, heatsinks wrecked, power conduits probably fried too, and I'd guess the reactors overheated as well from over-use).

If only 1 beam was overdriven, I can see that cannon getting melted long before the reactor takes damage.  However, the fact of the matter was that all the beams were overdriven (AAA beams included), so the total load on the reactors probably overstressed the cooling systems, thus knocking out the secondary and tertiary reactors (overheating the reactors could be considered damage since its no longer in peak shape, and the fact remains that after the Sathanas was destroyed, engineers reported the Colossus' systems at 80% operational, but expected several months to fully repair everything).

 

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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
No, it shuts down on essential systems when the Sathanas has sustained moderate damage. And, no matter of what the player did in Bearbaiting and High Noon, the Colossus "sustains moderate damage" in the battle against the Sathanas. That "80% systems operational" could be connected to both the damage sustained and the problems caused by reactor overloads :)

 

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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
Ugh, that's bunk. I was good enough to take down all 4 primary beam cannons before the Sathanas jumped out. No cheats.

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