[Bob-san]

Well, the 1st Terran Fleet was back in Sol--its designation was never reused in honour of the lost contact with Sol. Anyways--the other 11-12 Terran fleets were based in differing star systems, not to mention the likely 13 Vasudan fleets in various star systems as well.

[Mobius]

There are GTVA fleets, not GTA and PVN fleets. Bosch had the GTVA 6th under his control, for example. I think there should be a "GTVA 1st Fleet" since there's nothing wrong with it. I don't know why Vasudan fleets are never mentioned in FS2(there only are "Vasudan battlegroups").

[Vip]

There are GTVA fleets, not GTA and PVN fleets. Bosch had the GTVA 6th under his control, for example. I think there should be a "GTVA 1st Fleet" since there's nothing wrong with it. I don't know why Vasudan fleets are never mentioned in FS2(there only are "Vasudan battlegroups").

Vasudan tradition ? A hidden human way of telling "we have Fleets, and they have only Battlegroups" ?

[Mobius]

Terran ships are sometimes sorted in battlegroups, so I don't know.

[AlphaOne]

That is a big negative! The same discusion was on the old VBB and even here if i'm not mistaken! There are GTA Fleets and PVN battlegroups! Whyle they are all called GTVA fleets in some regard when it comes down to specifics each race has its own designation of they fleet! Since we do not yet have a real intermixed fleet to say so the GTVA still has teran fleets and vasudan battlegroups!

[Mobius]

Ok, proofs?

[Fang_Taichou]

That is a big negative! The same discusion was on the old VBB and even here if i'm not mistaken! There are GTA Fleets and PVN battlegroups! Whyle they are all called GTVA fleets in some regard when it comes down to specifics each race has its own designation of they fleet! Since we do not yet have a real intermixed fleet to say so the GTVA still has teran fleets and vasudan battlegroups!

When the GTVA was formed the decision was for the Terrans and Vasudans to maintain their separate fleets but are commanded under a unified structure.  So the Terrans kept the 'fleet' designation, while the Vasudans kept 'Battle Group' for theirs.  Unfortunately, fleets and battle groups get used interchangeably in the FS2 campaign briefings and such, and along with mixed forces of Terran and Vasudan warships operating within the same area, creates some confusion as to what is called what.

The proof of them maintaining separate fleets but single command structure is in the Tech Database, Intelligence subsection, topic -> GTVA.  This was established when BETAC was signed.

[Bob-san]

Well, they mention the 13th Vasudan Battlegroup and the 12th Terran Fleet. The 13th Battlegroup is based in Deneb, while the 12th Fleet is based at Ross 128. We have confirmed the existance and base-of-operations of the Terran 1st, 3rd, 4th, 6th, and 12th Fleets, as well as the 13th Battlegroup. As it appears, in order to keep a basically equal military presence of both Terrans and Vasudans in the GTVA, there would be an equal amount of fleets to battlegroups, as well as Admirals and Generals.

Also, it is probably the greatest percentage of personal from a fleet that will give it designation--for example, if 1/3 of the fleet is Terran 6th, 1/6 is Terran 8th, and 1/2 is Vasudan 3rd... that would probably be called the 3rd Vasudan Battlegroup.

[foolfromhell]

There are GTVA fleets, not GTA and PVN fleets. Bosch had the GTVA 6th under his control, for example. I think there should be a "GTVA 1st Fleet" since there's nothing wrong with it. I don't know why Vasudan fleets are never mentioned in FS2(there only are "Vasudan battlegroups").

My theory is that Bosch took many human ships to the NTF. The remainder of the 6th fleet, the Vasudans remainders, werent large enough for a fleet. So, they are a battlegroup.
The 1-5 and 7+ fleets are integrated T&V ships.

[AlphaOne]

Nope since we do not have intermixed fleets as of yet! They have pilot exchage programs but that is about it! They are in the very begining of the merging of terra and vasudan fleets/battlegroups!

Also I believe hot sistems such as BetaAquilae would have both terrans and vasudan fleets in them!

[Snail]

Please stop ending your sentences with exclamation marks! It gets annoying! You have a nice custom title!

I agree that the T/Vs have both Terran and Vasudan fleets in them! It is a good idea to keep the capital system under both species!

[Mobius]

My theory is that Bosch took many human ships to the NTF. The remainder of the 6th fleet, the Vasudans remainders, werent large enough for a fleet. So, they are a battlegroup.
The 1-5 and 7+ fleets are integrated T&V ships.

So...according to you, the 13th Vasudan battlegroup was part of the 6th fleet?

[foolfromhell]

My theory is that Bosch took many human ships to the NTF. The remainder of the 6th fleet, the Vasudans remainders, werent large enough for a fleet. So, they are a battlegroup.
The 1-5 and 7+ fleets are integrated T&V ships.

So...according to you, the 13th Vasudan battlegroup was part of the 6th fleet?

Well, it IS the GTVA, and why would there be fleets and battlegroups?
It makes sense that the battlegroups make up fleets, and when the fleet got broken up, the remainders were only battlegroups...

[Mobius]

But the Psamtik was the Vasudan equivalent of the Aquitaine, I can't believe that it wasn't part of a fine Vasudan fleet. The 13th Vasudan battlegroup should come from systems like Vasuda.

[CP5670]

The terms "fleet" and "battle group" mean the same thing, except that the former seems to be used for Terran ones and the latter for Vasudan ones. One of the tech room articles says that the two species "maintain separate fleets under a single command structure" or something like that.

[Mobius]

Is the definition "Terran battle group" used, too?

[Vip]

Yup. Check out tech room entries for Perseus, Boanerges and Artemis. For example Perseus:
"Perseus fighters have been assigned to the 3rd Battle Group on a trial basis, with wide deployment expected after the OpEval period."

[Mobius]

I know it may seem stupid, but...were those bombers tested by Vasudan pilots?

[Vip]

I know it may seem stupid, but...were those bombers tested by Vasudan pilots?

As far as we know, The Suicide Kings from 3rd Fleet were testing the Perseus, and the Ravens (also from 3rd Fleet) were one of the first to use the Boanerges. Of course everything's possible, but I guess Terran machines would be tested primarly by Terran pilots.

[Mobius]

So...is this another inconsistency? What is the true extent of the GTVA fleet? I'm so confused.