[Ghostavo]

They had a problem killing the GTVA.

Considering they had over 80 Sathanas at the GTVA's doorstep and didn't even bother to flood the rest of GTVA space with their armada, somehow I can't really see that as an issue.

I meant in FS1.

Yeah they would have annihilated the GTVA with the Saths... but they didn't even try, so I say that is moot.

Couldn't you say they've improved from FS1 to FS2 then?  

I still think that the Shivans didn't quite know what to do in High Noon. The Sathanas had two working forward beam cannons at max, and it was facing the Colossus and a bomber wing. IF they knew how to adapt or anything, they would have done something else than launch a couple of fighter wings and just keep on going forward.

The other 80+ Sathanas on it's tail tend to disagree. They don't need to adapt to that situation since their forces are so massive they can let a ship or two bite the dust.

[TrashMan]

That's not strategy...that rush tactics.

[Ghostavo]

It works, don't fix it. That's my motto.

[Jeff Vader]

The other 80+ Sathanas on it's tail tend to disagree. They don't need to adapt to that situation since their forces are so massive they can let a ship or two bite the dust.

Then again, the Shivans deployed the Lucifer to go and get the Taranis back. So why would they just ignore the first Sathanas and leave it all alone?

[Hippo]

because it wasnt captured, it was exploded

[Ghostavo]

Then why the countless other blatant disregard for their ship's safety?

And somehow I don't think the Lucifer laid the Tombaugh station to waste just for the Taranis. I always viewed the Taranis as some kind of bait/beacon.

[Jeff Vader]

Then why the countless other blatant disregard for their ship's safety?

And somehow I don't think the Lucifer laid the Tombaugh station to waste just for the Taranis. I always viewed the Taranis as some kind of bait/beacon.

Touché. Though I'd assume that the Shivans didn't plan to use the Taranis as a bait, but merely saw the opportunity and decided to exploit it.

...which would suggest that they adapted to the current situation, effectively kicking the non-adaption theory in the arse. Dang.

[foolfromhell]

Then why the countless other blatant disregard for their ship's safety?

And somehow I don't think the Lucifer laid the Tombaugh station to waste just for the Taranis. I always viewed the Taranis as some kind of bait/beacon.

Touché. Though I'd assume that the Shivans didn't plan to use the Taranis as a bait, but merely saw the opportunity and decided to exploit it.

...which would suggest that they adapted to the current situation, effectively kicking the non-adaption theory in the arse. Dang.

Except, of course, the Taranis did its best to fight back.
And, its more likely that AFTER the Taranis got captured, the shivans tried retrieving it...
Likely a no-man-left-behind thing...

[Mobius]

GTVA has:
- better pilots

Sure. Just look at the Intro cutscene of FS2. Shivan fighters are weak...in game. They're supposed to be fearsome. Just like the Hecate is supposed to be much better than the Orion, under all points of view.

[TrashMan]

Shivan technology is supposed to be superior..and it was in FS1 too (alltough not for that long). Tehy were fearsome...fight a dragon in a unshielded Apollo with ML-16's and tell me it isn't fearsome!

But yes, GTVA piltos are better becouse they have minds of their own and good training.

shivans are all *EXTZERMINATE*

[Hades]

To me it is easier to kill a Shivan on insane than it is to kill a Terran on medium.

[Hippo]

To me it is easier to kill a Shivan on medium than it is to kill a Terran on insane.

the word duh comes to mind

[Hades]

To me it is easier to kill a Shivan on insane than it is to kill a Terran on medium.

What do you mean?

[Mobius]

Expecially a Dragon or a Mara, eh?

Just look at that Manticore. Ingame, Manticores aren't that meneuverable and their shielding and armor plating makes me laugh. But in the cutscene, that Manticore shows the true power of the Shivans...a power we don't see duing the game.

[Polpolion]

To me it is easier to kill a Shivan on insane than it is to kill a Terran on medium.

What do you mean?

What the hell? You quoted yourself and asked yourself what you mean?

[Hades]

That was to Hippo who said "duh".

[Hippo]

he quoted his post after he edited the part i commented on

[Hades]

I messed up, because my brain is a little num right now.

[AlphaOne]

Well considering that the GTVA had only scans of the Lucifers flux cannons whych are suposde to be the precursor to the moder day shivan beams it is no surprise that the shivana beams are a lot better!


Also one dvantage that the GTVA has and will continue to exploit is the range advantage! GTVA beams have a longer range then theyr terran counterparts! This is one way to kill of an uber ship...just start punding it before it can get in range of its own weapons and o any significant damage!

There is also the MJolnir cannons whyc are impresive to say the least! \


Also better pilots and better primaries on they fighters/bommbers!

Btter corvettes and overwhealmingly good aaaf defences compared to the shivans! Also the GTVA ships are better suited for all round fighting! If the shivans were to be put in a defensive situation the would bite the dust so fast it would make your head spin!

Also better tactics.

Also the signle greatest advantage over the shivans the GTVA has it is its masively superior adaptation skills ! The GTVA advanced in a mather of decades by studiiing the shivans a few hundred even thousand of years! Also the GTVA is evolving at a much much greater speed then the shivans could even dram off! If this keeps up then the GTVA in a matter of decades to 1 century could very well surpase the shivans in tech achievements!

They alredy have better ship designs if not better beams! But then again this is just a matter of time!


One thing that the GTVA does not have on its side and which is its achielies heal is its age! Its very young barely an infant compared to the age of the shivans! However for a race this old the shivans have better beams and more ships and....well....thats about it....!

[bluelotus]

One thing that the GTVA does not have on its side and which is its achielies heal is its age!

GRAMMARPOLICE: Heel dude, its Heel. Sorry it was just annoying me everytime you posted it in various threads.

*runs aways after successfuly went OT*