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Offline Turambar

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if only the naboo fighter didnt perform like a TIE interceptor while having shields and torpedoes while being a couple decades older than current rebel designs while looking like a flying work of art, it might have been acceptable.
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Naboo Fighters are easy to implement into a Civil War-era campaign. Just feature an escaping Naboo guy from his homeworld - possibly a Rebel agent, or a prominent financial supporter, and have some local resistance militia escort him out of the system.

Some Venators could end up in the hands of some pirate/mercenary groups. Let's assume that after the ISD's design was complete, and most Venators were replaced by Imperials, Some Venators were sold instead of scrapped to help finance the construction of the DS.
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if only the naboo fighter didnt perform like a TIE interceptor while having shields and torpedoes while being a couple decades older than current rebel designs while looking like a flying work of art, it might have been acceptable.


Another idea: What if, instead of being quite that amazing, what if it only seemed like it was so fast, manuverable, and armed because everything around it was moving even slower, and the cap ships were smaller? It's a matter of scale, really.
Think about it.

Or: considering that they were primarily royal fighter craft, they were probably hideously expensive; that could justify the performance.

 

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Actually the trade federation warships were about twice the size of an imperial star destroyer. The real reason is that the person making the prequels had more interest in making money than in the star wars universe making sense.
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The Trade Federation 'Donut' ships aren't warships by default, but are giant transport freighters that were modified for combat later on.  Trust me, an the Donut has so many openings that an Imperator would rip it to shreds.

As for the N-1 being more advanced than a TIE Interceptor, please keep in mind that the N-1s were produced in extremely limited numbers to protect Naboo and not intended as a mass-produced fighter.  I'm positive that the TIE Interceptors were designed along the philosophy of reasonably cheap and efficient use of technology as opposed to the N-1 which probably incorporated different tech which had similar functions but that were undoubtedly more expensive.  Again, considering that the Naboo were only creating a fighter meant to defend their homeworld as well as serve as an ornamental showpiece, they probably didn't mind forking over the credits to create the N-1.

And before anyone points out that the Naboo still shouldn't possess fighters that surpass the best that Imperial tech has to offer, well remember they didn't.  Comparing the TIE Interceptor to the N-1 is foolish because they had different philosophies regarding their construction.  Comparing the N-1 to say, the TIE Defender, or even the TIE Avenger is a bit more reasonable since all craft were produced in limited quantities and all have similar capabilities (though those two TIEs easily outgun, outmaneuver and outrun the N-1).

Chief, the Z-95 is going to be rebuilt from scratch as well as the Rebel Transport using the existing models as templates or guides.  One question I do have regarding the Z-95 is the cockpit.  Are there really any sources that should be considered as "canon" since they all generally vary to begin with, or should I just design it based on observations of other Rebel craft (thinking of "antiquating" the X-wing's cockpit design and possibly employ ideas from the A-wing since both have the bubble canopy).  The only real clear references that I'm familiar with come straight from the X-wing PC game series.
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It's an EU ship, since that's where it first showed up I'd use those types of refs first.  If you mean whether or not it should look more like this or more like the bubble one on this, I suppose that's up to you, but when we have cockpit meshes, I'd rather have the bubble one myself, for better visibility.
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no I'm talking about interior details.
Deuternomy 22:11 explained:

Well there are many different speculations going on about this law about not mixing fibers and at least one explanation claims that it was a symbolic gesture designed to keep a pure sense of culture, people, and religion.  Seperation of crop  in the vinyard, mentioned in Dt. 22:9 and 22:10 seem to reaffirm this idea, though there may be other reasons as well.

And now, an excerpt from the Prayer of Mordecai, the Book of Esther Chapter C (New American Bible Official Catholic version).

Est C:5  You know all things.  You know, O Lord, that it was not out of insolence or pride or desire for fame that I acted thus in not bowing down to the proud Haman.  6  Gladly would I have kissed the soles of his feet for the salvation of Israel.  7  But I acted as I did so as not to place the honor of man above that of God.  I will not bow down to anyone but you, my Lord.  It is not out of pride that I am acting thus.

 

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Ah well, then yeah, primitive X-Wing stuff sounds good to me :)
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     I think you all are forgetting two very important movies in terms of Star Wars continuity . . .


     the Ewok Adventures!!!!!  :D :D :D

     There's one pretty cool looking civilian craft in Battle of Endor that can be brought into the game. With some open air laser turrets, haha. Plus one crappy looking family transport.
     I tried to score some screen caps but for some reason the DVD shows up blank when I hit print screen. Wierd.

 

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It's probably using the video overlay to play the DVD, you won't get any video if that's the case.  You'd need some sort of special software to capture it, or change the rendering mode.
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try running your DVD in VLC player and taking snapshots from that.
Deuternomy 22:11 explained:

Well there are many different speculations going on about this law about not mixing fibers and at least one explanation claims that it was a symbolic gesture designed to keep a pure sense of culture, people, and religion.  Seperation of crop  in the vinyard, mentioned in Dt. 22:9 and 22:10 seem to reaffirm this idea, though there may be other reasons as well.

And now, an excerpt from the Prayer of Mordecai, the Book of Esther Chapter C (New American Bible Official Catholic version).

Est C:5  You know all things.  You know, O Lord, that it was not out of insolence or pride or desire for fame that I acted thus in not bowing down to the proud Haman.  6  Gladly would I have kissed the soles of his feet for the salvation of Israel.  7  But I acted as I did so as not to place the honor of man above that of God.  I will not bow down to anyone but you, my Lord.  It is not out of pride that I am acting thus.

 
    Okay, VLC did the trick. Not my favourite program, but it has it uses. I'll post the pics here, since no one seems to have Battle for Endor *gasp*. Feel free to move/delete as necessary.


Family Transport (which looks remarkably like the storm trooper variety) - described as a "star cruiser" in the first movie Caravan of Courage



Old Guy's Transport
   I think it's sorta cool anyway. I dunno if it has any official designation.









 

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I think that one or both of those are in the EGVV actually.
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I think that one or both of those are in the EGVV actually.

      Hmmn, just flipped through mine and didn't see either one . . .unless there's some expanded edition of the book I don't know about. I think the Ewok movies are pretty ignored as far as Star Wars fans go. Most people aren't particular fond of their first appearance, they're not going to be too interested in the 2nd and 3rd appearances :). They're also more fantasy than sci-fi . .  with some laser blasters thrown in.

 

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Maybe it's a different family transport then.  Looked kind of like one I remember in it.  I guess it was the Skywalkers' though.
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Maybe it's a different family transport then.  Looked kind of like one I remember in it.  I guess it was the Skywalkers' though.
I think the one you're thinking of was the Lars family's landspeeder, which wasn't a whole lot bigger than Luke's speeder if I remember correctly.

(Also, I feel like I'm one of the very few Star Wars fans who thought that the Ewoks kicked total ass in ROTJ. :p)

 
Maybe it's a different family transport then.  Looked kind of like one I remember in it.  I guess it was the Skywalkers' though.
I think the one you're thinking of was the Lars family's landspeeder, which wasn't a whole lot bigger than Luke's speeder if I remember correctly.

(Also, I feel like I'm one of the very few Star Wars fans who thought that the Ewoks kicked total ass in ROTJ. :p)

     Yeah both of the ships pictured are interstellar craft, not land based vehicles. Top one's basically a family bus or something. Mini-van.

     (I liked the Ewoks and ROTJ as a whole as well. For a bunch of dumb little bears they've got more brains than the stupid wookies. Watching RotS the wookies are on the beach all crouched down behind some 4 feet steel wall and then when the droid hovertanks come at them they all jump out onto the beach, do some battle cry and start firing from the hip. The military tactics in the prequel trilogy are non-existent. Bunch of clone troopers walking around shooting from the hip, bunch of droids walking in the opposite direction doing the same thing. Basically every battle is two mobs of complete idiots firing/charging at eachother with blasters. At least the defenders at Hoth had the sense to stay in their damn trench. Or the strormtroopers, ewoks and reb commandos making use of cover in RotJ).

    Incidentally . .  of the prequels I also prefer the Phantom Menace.  :nervous: At least the ground battle has some mild sense of tactics (plus it's also got Liam Neeson and the cool Darth Maul battle).  As for Jar Jar, at least his ****ty dialogue isn't meant to be serious ("Hold me like you did on Naboo!"). I'd rather him a talking moron than a silent, occasional-cameo moron.
    But . . . don't really want to get offtopic.

 

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Re: Canon and continuity
Oh God I want to shoot you...

All I can hear in my head is Wicket saying, "Star Cruiser CRASH!" over and over...

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         No problem.
         The best is the second movie and the little girl who's family gets wiped out and 10 minutes later she's dancing around the forest with Wicket (oh, and Wicket's friends are all in mortal danger too having be captured by savages). It's good to know they care.

 

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I've always loved the design of the old guy's transport in the Ewok movies. The engine section is really cool.
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