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Offline FSW

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Re: Could The GTVA defeated the Sathanas fleet?
There has to be a reason AI has not been used other than in training.
The AI needs to be remotely controllable, not necessarily safe :nervous:
If it was remotely controllable (depending on what you mean exactly), then it's not AI.
By 'remote control' I think he means that the AI would need to have the capacity to receive new orders from Command. And what happens when the enemy figures out the command codes?

  
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We get pwned twice as fast?
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Re: Could The GTVA defeated the Sathanas fleet?
For the GTVA to have defeated the Sathanas fleet would be quite difficult. They might be successful if they got a wing of bombers to blow up that rear LRed, then get a destroyer to jump in behind it. But does the GTVA have 90 destroyers?
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Re: Could The GTVA defeated the Sathanas fleet?
They don't need 90 destroyers if they use a few and a bunch of bombers to disable the Juggs.

I think the GTVA would be capable of stopping transports and freighters with spare engine parts and gas miners with fuel untill the SJ's get slowly finished off, one by one, similar to the German Tiger tanks in WW II that were useless due to lack of parts and fuel.
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Re: Could The GTVA defeated the Sathanas fleet?
Except that it doesn't take that long to go from place to place in FS. The jump to Sol at the end of FS1 took a mere 20 minutes for the Lucy, and about 10 for the fighters that pursued it.

The Saths could just send two Juggernauts per system of the GTVA and be knocking on Sol's door in about a day.

That fleet would have been unstoppable with the GTVA's current strength. End of story.
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Re: Could The GTVA defeated the Sathanas fleet?
They don't need 90 destroyers if they use a few and a bunch of bombers to disable the Juggs.

Ever heard of "Shivan Fighters"?

 

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They don't need 90 destroyers if they use a few and a bunch of bombers to disable the Juggs.

Bombers are vulnerable to Interceptors and multi-role ships like the Mara.  They cannot escort themselves without suffering enormus casulaties, and a Ursa or even a Boangeres is not a cheap machine.  And neither are the bomber's warhead payloads.

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I think the GTVA would be capable of stopping transports and freighters with spare engine parts and gas miners with fuel untill the SJ's get slowly finished off, one by one, similar to the German Tiger tanks in WW II that were useless due to lack of parts and fuel.

Actually, you're off.  The Tiger tank was extremely formidable in combat, but it suffered from lack of standarnization(It wasn't the lack of parts so much as it was lack of standarizing parts.) and the King Tiger was so heavy a bad driver could snap the entire transmission.  Plus Allied airsuperiority was absolutely overwhelming by '44, and quite a few Tigers were killed at this point.  You also fail to mention that the Allies, not the Germans, were the ones overwhelming.  (US produeced 52,000 shermans vs. maybe above 10,000 Tigers.)

Lastly, you're assuming that the Sathanas does not have the supplys to repair itself, something which is unfounded.

 

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Re: Could The GTVA defeated the Sathanas fleet?
A fighter escort usually arrives with a bomber wing, i bomber wing called Alpha, and a fighter wing or two can take out the anti-warship beams of a sathanas, Alpha 1 could probably take out the anti-warship beams in 30-45 min (very easy difficulty{estimate, could be 15}), while the rest of the wing could do minor hull damage and the fighters could take out shivan fighters (strangely enough, if alpha 1 is busy against a capital ship, the shivan fighters don't take up much of his time), once the main beams are gone, move onto another sathanas, the GTVA has more than 3 wings though and that could take on other Sathanaseseses (what's the plural). After a while, at least a couple of hours of Sathanaseseses would be done and the warships could come in and beam them (I love sobeks, they are really good). Fighters could take on enemy fighters and bombers.

Though still... Not to mention Alpha 1 is as good as 30 other pilots. Though that lieutanant guy when we were taking on the Comm nodes was pretty good, that wing was.

The Psamtic was taken by suprise, it was facing all four beams and was already damaged by other warships and bombers
The Phonecia will survive if you hit one of the Sathanas beams with one or two double trebuchets.
The colossus took minimal damage when up against the first sathanas, but the clip after said 20% damage, that would take months to repair!
What other warships were lost to Sathanas

After all that explination, i still don't think so, 80 sathanas were sighted, hundreds more may have been en-route. Alpha 1 eventually runs down on htps, facing a couple of Sathanas would be alright, but AAA hit here and there and fighters can do some damage, Alpha 1 destroyed after maybe 10 or less disablings of beams.

To the final question, nah, don't think so. :no:

 
Re: Could The GTVA defeated the Sathanas fleet?
...Sathanaseseses (what's the plural).


Sathanes.

Or just call them Saths. ;)
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Re: Could The GTVA defeated the Sathanas fleet?
...Sathanaseseses (what's the plural).


Sathanes.

Or just call them Saths. ;)
nghtm1r called them Sathani in his Shivan Theory. By the way, it may be possible for 120+ Ursas to destroy a Sathanas juggernaut. I saw it on YouTube, but I'm not if the video's still there.
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Re: Could The GTVA defeated the Sathanas fleet?
I believe there was a discussion on this very recently and it was decided (correct me if I am wrong) that Sathanes was the "modern" plural, while Sathanai was the "old" plural, and the correct English plural (the other two were Greek) is Sathanases. Technically they are all correct.

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I use Sathanes because it is correct in the modern form of the original language.
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Offline Snail

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Re: Could The GTVA defeated the Sathanas fleet?
nghtm1r called them Sathani in his Shivan Theory.

Well then he's wrong. :P

 
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The colossus took minimal damage when up against the first sathanas, but the clip after said 20% damage, that would take months to repair!
Every time I play that mission it takes exactly 0 damage, because the Sathanas has no beams (OR forward flak for that matter), so it never even gets in range to scratch the Colossus.  The 20% makes sense though because it's self inflicted damage caused by them overcharging the beams during the firefight.  Apparently it damaged the reactor cores doing that.

Somehow the necessity of damaging your internal systems to destroy a target that can't fire back as quickly as possible is lost on me, but then again it IS possible to complete the prior mission with only 2 cannons down.  But who does that?
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Re: Could The GTVA defeated the Sathanas fleet?
Somehow the necessity of damaging your internal systems to destroy a target that can't fire back as quickly as possible is lost on me, but then again it IS possible to complete the prior mission with only 2 cannons down.  But who does that?

Command does.
Seriously, i hate how volition has made command so stupid in their story. You can kill any single sathanas if you park your capital ships behind it and disable the engines with bombers so it doesen't move anywhere. All the time you can defend your ships from bombers with fighter wings.
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Offline General Battuta

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Re: Could The GTVA defeated the Sathanas fleet?
I'm pretty sure that approach would require Volition making the Shivans stupid.

 
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shivans are stupid if they put all their beams for the ravana and the sathanas only in the front.
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shivans are stupid if they put all their beams for the ravana and the sathanas only in the front.

To counter....

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The theoretical knowledge of the weapon, and of the appropriate tactics, must be supplemented, in the last resort, by the decisive requirement of a war-like spirit and an audacious outlook.  The essence of submarine shivan warfare is the offensive!  For the commander of a submarine shivan warship, therefore, the maxim:  "He who wants to be victorious on the sea must always attack!" has special meaning.

--Submarine Shivan Commander's Handbook

The shivans' biological plasma beams don't stick out of their arses, so why should they design their ships with beams pointing backwards?

 
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to counter their only flaw. If they are smart enough to engineer such powerful ships to begin with...
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Re: Could The GTVA defeated the Sathanas fleet?
I thought we agreed that the Sathanas was not built for attacking warships.
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i wasen't here(meaning i didn't read it)when that happened, so I apologize.
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