[NGTM-1R]

Riveria was probably making active sensor sweeps, and we know it was using its comms; it would have been relatively easy to locate then. The Repulse had probably tamped down its emissions as much as it could, running passive sensors and low-power or line-of-sight directional comms. It's a matter of how much energy you're putting out into space.

Riveria had no reason to hide, and plenty of reason not to: being a fixed installation, that has been in place for some time presumably, there are no odds in attempting to hide as everyone and their dog in the system would probably have known where to find it. Therefore it would have adopted the option of running all its active sensors to create an electronic bubble around it anyone can see (giving away information most of them probably already had) but the entering of which can be dangerous.

The Repulse, on the other hand, can move, and therefore you really do have to actually look for it. Therefore adopting a silent-running approach is a viable tactic because it doesn't have to be anywhere. It's the same reason why warships at sea sometimes opt not to run their radars, but land bases always do.

[jr2]

Note that Riviera managed to pick up the Shivan fighters, even though they were semi-stealthy to the sensors on GTA (and probably PVN) fighter/bomber craft until the sensors were re-calibrated.

[karajorma]

Probably simply cause they're more powerful than the ones a fighter/bomber can carry. Is it ever said that capships can't pick them up?

[TrashMan]

To be fair Riviera detected unknown ships JUNMPING IN - the opening of subspace vortexes. The image changes as soon as the 6 contacts jump in so we don't know if sensors managed to keep a lock (of if the red dots dissapeared after that or started flicking in and out as they do for the player in his first encounter with the shivans)
You as a player had no problem detecting ships jumping in - but after thy were in you couldn't target them, alltough your sensors showed something was there.

[Mobius]

Riveria was probably making active sensor sweeps, and we know it was using its comms; it would have been relatively easy to locate then. The Repulse had probably tamped down its emissions as much as it could, running passive sensors and low-power or line-of-sight directional comms. It's a matter of how much energy you're putting out into space.

Riveria had no reason to hide, and plenty of reason not to: being a fixed installation, that has been in place for some time presumably, there are no odds in attempting to hide as everyone and their dog in the system would probably have known where to find it. Therefore it would have adopted the option of running all its active sensors to create an electronic bubble around it anyone can see (giving away information most of them probably already had) but the entering of which can be dangerous.

The Repulse, on the other hand, can move, and therefore you really do have to actually look for it. Therefore adopting a silent-running approach is a viable tactic because it doesn't have to be anywhere. It's the same reason why warships at sea sometimes opt not to run their radars, but land bases always do.

The real difference is that the Repulse can move. It probably shut down non essential systems, praobably. We can't give it for sure. The briefing of "Feint! Parry! Riposte!" gives the impression of a Hide and Seek game while it could be normal. Do we have other examples? The Ravana was in the nebula, NTF ships at the end of the rebellion were moving to Gamma Draconis(while the Repulse was supposed to remain in Epsilon Pegasi)...and the NTF got suspicious when the Vasudans attacked the Iceni in "Rebels&Renegades", they didn't accept a fast detection of the Iceni as something possible. That episode is enough to demonstrate that jamming systems aren't needed.

[TrashMan]

But what does that have to do with anything?

[eliex]

 Did you know that you can actually detect Shivies on the Plato mission if you alt-shift-J or something to target what your target's targeting.
Check out the Plato. But not like it does anything special to be honest.

And this is kinda irrelevant but the what was the Aten's name again - the Taurus right, actually managed to kill off the Shivan fighters that were attacking it. And I did NOT use cheats!

[jr2]

  Should be impossible... something's not right.

[eliex]

 But it's maybe a glitch. One in a million I think. 

[TrashMan]

Definately a glitch. The Aten is a peice of c*** that can't kill even unshielded fighters in FS1.

[Admiral_Stones]

Don't hesitate to write CRAP, as the Aten deserves it.

[TrashMan]

Now, now..Let's not be hasty... It does have 5-6 turrets that can't hit a broad side of a barn.

Every played some of the FS1 campaigns? Even without shields it's not much of a threat.

[Snail]

By saying that you're giving for sure that NTF ships turned out non essential systems when they moved to they rallying positions.

Sorry, Dave, there seems to be an error in your judgment.

[azile0]

I dunno, in the mission in FS1 where you capture that godawful Aten (to be foiled by the Taranis) It, coupled with the fighters can be a pain the External Rectal Ejection Valve.

[TrashMan]

Are yo usure you didn't have some uber-Aten mod turned on? Coause it's the weakest cruiser...ever.

[AlphaOne]

yep the aten is pretty much useless. That thing wouldn be able to ake out even an bommber with the manouverabilaty of a snail let alone anithing else.

[TrashMan]

Hear than Snail? Even you could beat up an Aten

[eliex]

 In Fs1, before you have shields, the Aten can be your worst nightmare . . . especially the two Avenger turrets and not to mention your extraordinarily poor loadout . . . you can't even knock a single turret out  . . . cry . . . 

But now with shields - SMIRK!! 

[AlphaOne]

well even without shields i foun that i can pretty muich do circles around the Aten without the fear of getting blown away if im smart enough and sober !


However there is the fact that vasudans seem to buil more Sobeks then they do freaking cruisers ! I mean those things are everywhere in the game and they are pretty good too. In fact they are the second best corvette in game after they deimos . However i do consider them more powerfull from an offesive point of view simply because they have better beams. But the deimos wins because it is and overall better corvette with scary aaaf defences.


As for detectin shivies hell i seem to remember getting a kill or something one one of them even before i could detect them because i used to just pint and shoot no sophisticated targeting sistems.

As for the vasudan cruiser well they would be more efetive if they had some sort of rapid fire blob turrets . Sure they would be better off with beams but then again lets not ruin a perfectly crappy piece of engeniering here! Just mess around with it a bit!

[Snail]

In Fs1, before you have shields, the Aten can be your worst nightmare . . . especially the two Avenger turrets and not to mention your extraordinarily poor loadout . . . you can't even knock a single turret out  . . . cry . . . 

I killed that Aten in the beginning of Phantoms (one of BR's minicampaigns) with Furies alone and with no help from those useless wingmen.