[AlphaOne]

Well for the moment BG beams and other terran beams do only more damage per shot then theyr vasudan counterparts.

HOWEVER  the vasudan beams have a faster refire rate wich in time gives them the advantage of having more shots and therefore more damage done to the enemy. Hell with oveloading a vasudan beam you could get something close to the BFG i think if that is even possble. Couple that with a faster refire rate and you have the Collie taking out the Sath in about 20 to 30% less time then needed!

[eliex]

 Terran beams that are in FS2, well at least they have one good advantage: Like Shivan beams, except that their prey
has slightly more than 13% health left.

 Yes, ladies and gentlemen, don't mock supersition because with only 13%, a specially modified Aten trashed the Aeolus
afterwards.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

I was thinking that the BFGreen can be much, much stronger if all the energy was focused. In which case it would definitely be much more powerful than any other beam, including the BFRed and SSLBeam.

...I do like the EA's USilv beam though...that can rip a hole in the SSJ Gigas in just two shots.

[Snail]

Maybe it can't be focused. See how some of the beams flicker? Makes me think they've been focused as much as possible.

[eliex]

 Yeah, it's always like the Shivans have to be the best at everything related to destruction . . . 

[Retsof]

Hell with oveloading a vasudan beam you could get something close to the BFG i think if that is even possble.

  Overloading a beam... you just have to make a new weapon anyway... you could  just make the proverbial UBER BEAM!

[AlphaOne]

Well geez Restof oveloading beams are well cannon in the FS2 universe the BFG and the LRBG are standard BG beam cannons that have been overloaded to make them more powerfull. Tis in turn results in massive increases in temp. and reactor stress. Want an example take a look at the Collie vs.Sath showdown.

Vasudan beams have a faster refire rate with a just a bit less damage. The obvious solution would be to increase the damage potential of the BVas without increasing its recharge time.


Or to put it simple let the vasudans handle the tech.

[Jeff Vader]

Again. Overloaded beam cannons may be cannons, but they are also canon (notice just one 'n' between 'a' and 'o').

[Snail]

Or to put it simple let the vasudans handle the tech.

Bah. The whole point of the GTVA was that the technology was shared. Letting the Vasudans handle everything will just poop out loads of An00bis and Aten-type stuff and none of the Ares and Erinyes goodness we all know and love. Note the Vasudans were good at one thing and the Terrans were good at another. The union of both technologies is key to the GTVA's technological advancement.

[Koth]

Yep the Vasudans absolutely fail in the cruiser department but they seem to be good with reactors and engines. Terrans on the other hand excel at wapons and fighter manufacturing.

[AlphaOne]

Look the fact that both races share tech is the reason they got where they got . However it is also wotrhwhile to note that the terrans suck big time in certain areas.

You talk about cooperation between the 2 races . Well the most resounding succes I can think of is the Deimos class corvette .  I mean it says it implements vasudan reactors and powergrids making it one of the fastest ships in the fleet and because of the extra power given off by the vasudan reactors they are able to handle a HUGE amount of firepower . Sure they have slasher beams but then again  the fact there are 4 beam cannons on a ship this small is a first.

However there are also indications that terrans can produce tech of equal if not superior to the vasudan one.

The Iceni comes to mind. I mean it was just slightly larger then a corvette yet it had the speed of a corvette the armour of a destroyer and 3 BG nothe that I said 3 BG.

My guess is that such a tech level is well more expensive then vasudan tech of equal caliber . So the obvious thing would be to make a real joint venture into designing ships and weapons. Not just make them available for both races making sure they work for both races.

Standardize everithing this would make it simple cheaper and faster to build everithing.

[Snail]

The Iceni comes to mind. I mean it was just slightly larger then a corvette yet it had the speed of a corvette the armour of a destroyer and 3 BG nothe that I said 3 BG.

You fail to realize the Iceni was a one-of-a-kind ship which was personally created by Admiral Bosch as his great flagship and should have been as powerful as possible. It would have cost a lot to mass-produce, may I add.

By not sharing technology, you are severely limiting yourself. Vasudan tech sucks in one area, so if you use only Vasudan tech, you are sucking in that area. Terran tech sucks in one area, so if you only use Terran tech, you are sucking in that area. Terran-Vasudan tech covers up those areas, so if you are using Terran-Vasudan tech, you are not sucking in either of those areas. It's not a hard concept.

[eliex]

 It's great that the GTFf Saphah was on your side for the Derelict campaign.
Shame about the Enigma though .. . 

[Snail]

The Enigma was cool. I bet we'll see more of him in BWO... But then again Ace or somebody said they didn't like Iceni clones.

[Gamma_Draconis]

You fail to realize the Iceni was a one-of-a-kind ship which was personally created by Admiral Bosch as his great flagship and should have been as powerful as possible. It would have cost a lot to mass-produce, may I add.

Well, actually the Iceni was being built before the NTF Rebellion. Rather, it was being built. Borsh decided he wanted it for himself. I do agree that the Iceni would cost a fortune to build, judging by the rare materials used in its hull.

[Snail]

Bosch may have planned its construction for a long time before the rebellion. He probably persuaded the GTVA with help from some other high-ranking friends to build the Iceni. I don't think it was to be a mass-produced GTVA design.

[Koth]

I think it was probably a prototype design whose construction Bosch oversaw. When the Rebellion began he snatched and completed it and outfitted it with all the special stuff like ETAK etc. .

[AlphaOne]

Well from what i understand the Iceni was not suposed to be a one of a kind ship it is true that it was a prototipe to be tested and it is also true that its intended purpose was sidetracked by Bosch who was in charge of completing the Iceni prototipe.

However this also raises an interesting question:

If the Iceni was a designed beeing tested and comisioned for testing by the GTVA then it is also safe to asume that it was a joint venture  right?

If that is the case then we can asume that it incorporates not only the best in terran tech but also the best or some of the best tech's availabe to the vasudans right?

If that is the case and the Iceni is indeed the result of a joint venture exclueding the sidetracking of Bosch then we can be safe to asume that for a prototipe it was very succesfull no?

I mean from its design it is clear that is was built for fast deadly strikes at the enemy lines supported by fighters and bommbers from a Hecate or a Hattie perhaps acompanied by corvettes perhaps. Kinda like a small fast tactical strike fleet or something.

I mean the Iceni can definetly take some serious hits and it most definetly can outgun even a Hecate destroyer with ease in close range combat.

I mean its fast is is very powerfull and can take a few hits. I can think of a very good use for such a ship.......instead of a destroyer sent out to take down a Ravana or something send in an Iceni with a Sobek or a Deimos with a pair of fighters/bommbers for escort......! Oh man 3 BG hitting all at once. With the posibilaty of overloading them....sweeeet.

This would be a real joint venture and it would be a succesfull one at that.

[Mobius]

Or to put it simple let the vasudans handle the tech.

Bah. The whole point of the GTVA was that the technology was shared. Letting the Vasudans handle everything will just poop out loads of An00bis and Aten-type stuff and none of the Ares and Erinyes goodness we all know and love. Note the Vasudans were good at one thing and the Terrans were good at another. The union of both technologies is key to the GTVA's technological advancement.

But Terran stuff like the Deimos benefits of considerable Vasudan support(reactors).

Also, Terrans have more stuff for obvious reasons. The creators mostly thought about Terran ships and spacecraft so that the number of Vasudan stuff is reduced...it doesn't mean the Vasudans aren't able of building up something like the Ares or the Erynies.

As I said, it happens. I don't recall a game in which aliens had a larger variety of spacecraft. The Colossus is considered a Terran ship, for example...

[Snail]

But why limit yourself?!?! What's the point in not using T/V technology WHEN YOU CAN?!?!?! To make yourself weaker?