[MT]

2 right, 1 left.

Go replay R&R and see the Iceni cut loose a pair of BGreens on the Vasudans (but 90% it won't seem to kill off the Sobek).

[AlphaOne]

No way what kind of and idiot uses that kinf od placement for the beam cannons. That is ridiculous. Ther should of been one on each side and one in the front. Man thats stupid. I ALWAYS BELIEVED that was how the 3 BGreens were deployed on the hull of the Iceni. Aman the Iceni really need a new set of beam emplacements.

[Vip]

I believe it was changed for the R&R mission as to make it easier (???). This constant changing of weapon settings on capships in the retail campaign is driving me nuts sometimes. I know, the drama and suspense are a primary aim, but they could be at least a bit consistent with what they do

[AlphaOne]

Thats wishfull thinking. We can hope for it but that is all we will ever get hope. Like we can hope for some god damn proper beams for the GTVA .

[MT]

No way what kind of and idiot uses that kinf od placement for the beam cannons. That is ridiculous. Ther should of been one on each side and one in the front. Man thats stupid. I ALWAYS BELIEVED that was how the 3 BGreens were deployed on the hull of the Iceni. Aman the Iceni really need a new set of beam emplacements.

The Orion doesn't have its beams balanced on all sides either...

[ssmit132]

The Orion is asymetrical, though.

[Vip]

Thats wishfull thinking. We can hope for it but that is all we will ever get hope. Like we can hope for some god damn proper beams for the GTVA .

Mjolnirs anybody ?

[Admiral_Stones]

Thats wishfull thinking. We can hope for it but that is all we will ever get hope. Like we can hope for some god damn proper beams for the GTVA .

Oh, c'mon. The BFGreen and BGreen are pretty awesome. Although the LTerSlash and SGreen are pretty much immense pieces of crap, the GTVA has the better AAA beams and have the great Vasudan ones.

Oh yeah, don't forget about the Mjolnirs. Like VIP said.

[AlphaOne]

As soon as you can show me a GTVA cap ship sporting a Mjolnir beam cannon im gooing to say hurray finaly some good beams. But since the entire beam canon is the size of a cruiser (for the moment) its not very practical to mount it on anithing onther then a SD or a Colossus class warship. Hell even Destroyers such as the Hecate and the Hattie would have problems mounting more then 2 of them. Perhaps 3 with some radical redesigning of the interior.


Sure the Mjolnir is a great beam but its for the moment not practical for warships . I asume it has somethuing to do with the powerrequirements for it. Perhaps some ship that is built aroun them with advanced more powerfull reactors a lot more powerfull could do the trick. But such a ship has yet o be developed.

Also agreed about the AAAF beams. Especialy the ULTRA.

[BengalTiger]

I believe it was changed for the R&R mission as to make it easier (???). This constant changing of weapon settings on capships in the retail campaign...

Means that each and every configuration is cannon...
How was the Iceni armed in the mission you escort it?

[Droid803]

The Iceni's default table is WEIRD. Everything is mis-placed.

In R&R mission, the Iceni mounts 3 AAAfs, 2 Standard Flaks, 3 BGreens, and a lot of blobs. Also note that the placement of the BGreens, most notably, are shuffled. Where the BGreens originally were are now AAAfs.

[FreeSpaceFreak]

As soon as you can show me a GTVA cap ship sporting a Mjolnir beam cannon im gooing to say hurray finaly some good beams. But since the entire beam canon is the size of a cruiser (for the moment) its not very practical to mount it on anithing onther then a SD or a Colossus class warship. Hell even Destroyers such as the Hecate and the Hattie would have problems mounting more then 2 of them. Perhaps 3 with some radical redesigning of the interior.


Sure the Mjolnir is a great beam but its for the moment not practical for warships . I asume it has somethuing to do with the powerrequirements for it. Perhaps some ship that is built aroun them with advanced more powerfull reactors a lot more powerfull could do the trick. But such a ship has yet o be developed.

Also agreed about the AAAF beams. Especialy the ULTRA.

It can't be that difficult to build a Mjolnir into a capship. Even a new corvette could use it: it's fully self-supporting (including reactors and even shielding, IIRC) and 'only' cruiser-sized.
No, the real problem with the Mjolnir is probably that

• They're incredibly expensive (they're almost never used) and/or
• They only fire straightforward (the tracking beam is only half as good), which makes them worthless for anything above bomber size.

Means that each and every configuration is cannon...

Funny typo in a thread about weapons

[NGTM-1R]

It can't be that difficult to build a Mjolnir into a capship. Even a new corvette could use it: it's fully self-supporting (including reactors and even shielding, IIRC) and 'only' cruiser-sized.
No, the real problem with the Mjolnir is probably that

• They're incredibly expensive (they're almost never used) and/or
• They only fire straightforward (the tracking beam is only half as good), which makes them worthless for anything above bomber size.

Orrrr...

• The weapon is not considered safe enough for shipboard use; it is prone to catastrophic overloads/meltdowns/whathaveyous because it is pushing GTVA beam cannon technology to, and sometimes beyond, the limit.
• The Mjolnir is a fantasically powerful weapon that produces an equally fantastically huge amount of heat and requires large, complicated radiator systems. Radiator systems which are not practical to install on a warship. Armor and radiators don't go together. We all know how vunerable the Mjolnir is to fighter and bomber attack.
• The technology used to push the beam to such power levels puts out interference that A: makes the beam impractical to "steer" and B: would also interfere with other ship systems. The Mjolnir is little more than a reactor, a beam, a crude targeting device (assuming it's not given firing commands by remote, and it may be) and support systems for the beam. A warship requires propulsion, secondary weapons, sensors, life support, communications, and a host of other systems that would have to be heavily shielded, introducing unacceptable weight, or the Mjolnir would have to be heavily shielded, also introducing unacceptable weight...or perhaps by trapping the interference making the weapon itself suffer from its own byproducts.
• Relating to the radiator point, the Mjolnir's stripped-down design, which is what allows it much of its power by not encasing it in stuff that traps heat, also means that the reactor and perhaps the weapon itself put out dangerous, harmful levels of radiation.

[Droid803]

There's still nothing wrong with strapping a Mjolnir to the side of a ship. As in, letting the ship drag the thing along - its entirely external, its just using the ship to move.

[AlphaOne]

Well i can fully agree with both the power needed for the Mjolnir and with the cost thing. However since the Mjolnir beam cannon tech is still somewhat new and not actualy that well worked out we may have yet to see Mjolnir beam cannons that can actualy be mounted on ships. I mean with the obvious lack of power from the BGreens or rather the huge amount of time it takes to refire the Mjolnir would be tested and improved a lot.

At least that is what i would do. Therefore in theory it should give the GTVA an adequate replacement for the Bgreen's within a few years. Mounting them on ships and the price of the new beam canons is another thing altogether. I think some sort of limited use of it for the more advanced warships would be the first thing. I mean the GTVA needs a heavy hitter in the fleet to replace the Orion's shoes. So something with een more HP the the Hattie and armed with Mjolnir beam cannons would be the ideal thing.


On the other hand wasnt the Hattie suposed to have 5 heavy beam canons? All i see is 3 BVas and 1 SVas. Any ideas on this?

[blowfish]

3 BVas and 1 SVas are all it has.

[AlphaOne]

In 2360, Allied Command commissioned the first of the GVD Hatshepsut-class destroyers. The Vasudan contractor Akheton designed the Hatshepsut to efficiently integrate the new beam cannon. The process of retrofitting the older Typhon-class warships yielded vessels prone to system failures and reactor overloads. Though a handful of modified Typhons remain in service, the Hatshepsut has taken over as the primary Vasudan destroyer. With 24 turrets, 5 beam cannons, and 2 fighterbays, destroyers such as GVD Psamtik of Deneb's 13th Battle Group serve at the vanguard of the modern Vasudan fleet.


this is what i mean.

[zonination]

 Maybe it's just the gameplay, or perhaps when Alpha 1 is first introduced into the Freespace Universe  (the FS1) actually the Terrans are whipping up the Vasudans (and I'm just sitting back watching the screen).

 I've just got several points - WHY do the Vasudans and the Terrans during the Great War have exactly the same weapons, like Huge Terran or Terran turret. Set aside of course for the more distinctive ones like the Vasudan flux cannon.

 And in FS2 - It's weird that the Shivans actually share the same missiles as the GTVA? It's not like the GTVA stole the technology of them in FS1.

 And IF the Shivans were so fantastic as the Freespace 2 review indicates (that in order of most technologically advanced S,V,T)
the only reason why they technically win the Second Incursion was because there were more of them + the fact that solely, that their warship beams are the most powerful.

Am I wrong - or am i going sidetracked?
Ok . . . i'll just zip it now . . . 

I think it might have something to do with some of the weapons manufacturers double-dealing. After all, both societies seem capitalistic.

[Thanatos45]

In 2360, Allied Command commissioned the first of the GVD Hatshepsut-class destroyers. The Vasudan contractor Akheton designed the Hatshepsut to efficiently integrate the new beam cannon. The process of retrofitting the older Typhon-class warships yielded vessels prone to system failures and reactor overloads. Though a handful of modified Typhons remain in service, the Hatshepsut has taken over as the primary Vasudan destroyer. With 24 turrets, 5 beam cannons, and 2 fighterbays, destroyers such as GVD Psamtik of Deneb's 13th Battle Group serve at the vanguard of the modern Vasudan fleet.


this is what i mean.

probably changed the amount of beam cannons on the Hattie after the tech description was made. Same with the Mentu, of which the tech room claims it has anticapship beams while in reality it hasn't.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

probably changed the amount of beam cannons on the Hattie after the tech description was made. Same with the Mentu, of which the tech room claims it has anticapship beams while in reality it hasn't.

...well, they were trying to finish the game in under a year. You cannot expect them to do everything perfectly.