[TrashMan]

Changing your view now...before you were claiming it was a failure..now it's a 90% success

[IPAndrews]

The Colossus Was Designed To Stop Any Shivan Assault Force. Which It Failed At.

Doesn't that make it a 0% success?

[AlphaOne]

Actualy no! The Colossus was designed with the Lucifer specs in mind . And so if ANY shivan Lucifer fleet it might come up in the future. Or ani shivan force even if it consisted of multiple Lucifer CLass ships. THAT is the correct mission for the Colossus. THAT is what it sais or rather what can be conclueded from the cutscenes.

However if you want to blame someone for the Colossus not beeing able to stop the shivans you should blame GTVA command and its designers for not havin the brains to try and imagine something more powerfull then the Lucifer.

And the Sath is that something more powerfull then the Whole Lucifer fleet put toghether.


Sure the Collie failed to stop 80+ ships more powerfull then  it but then again that is what you can call an unexpected twist on the battlefield. How on earth was anyone suposed to know the shivans would develop beam cannons and furthermore how on earth were they suposed to imagine that they would be so allpowerfull?

Sure the are a lot of things that could of been done diferent and if you want to consider the Collie a failure because a SINGLE ship failed to stop 80+ more powerfull ships then you go ahead and do that since it would be correct .

However sticking to such an arguement is stupid is narowminded and ridiculous. There i've said it.

Had the Collie met on the battlefield agains one or more Lucifer ships i have no question that it would of won and everyone would of wondered at the tech superiority of the GTVA.

However as is the case the shivans were very very dangerously underestimated and well the price had to be paid for such a failure of.....well basicly imagination and foresight.

For the Collie to have been even on equal footing with the Sath it would of probably had to be equped with Mjolnir beam cannons and lots of them About 8 on each side perhaps even more. And have twice the armour plating that it had. That is to be on equal footing with just one of them. But then again what happenes when you have 2 or 3 or 4 of those things engaging the Colllie???

Even so desperatly outgunned by the Sath had there actualy been 80+ Collies then we could of talked about the failure of the Collie design. But since we do not have such a thing it is best to give credit where credit is due. The Collie would of bean one mean Lucy killing machine had it got the chance.

[Snail]

Changing your view now...before you were claiming it was a failure..now it's a 90% success

If you read my post I said "It wasn't a complete failure but it wasn't a complete success." So it could be anything really.

Doesn't that make it a 0% success?

Only if it's a 100% failure. Which it wasn't.

[TrashMan]

If you design a torpedo cruiser whose task it to destroy battleships - and it's great for that, but you find that the enemy fields 80+ submarines and sinks your cruisers, is the cruiser a failed design? Of course it isn't. You can't rate ships/designs that way.

The Collie was designed to hunt down and destroy fleets of shivan destroyers - which it does admirably. It was never designed to duke it out with ships designed to kill ships of it's size..and even there it fairs rather well.
Ships have specific designs, SPECIFIC tasks and it's the fulfillment of that specific task by which they are rated.

"Stop any enemy attack" is as much as specific task for a ship as is "being invincible" or "omnipresent". It's more a idea than a task.

[Snail]

"Stop any enemy attack" is as much as specific task for a ship as is "being invincible" or "omnipresent". It's more a idea than a task.

That is the idea of the Colossus. Which it 10% failed at....

Okay I give up.

See I'm not beyond help!

[TrashMan]

You have seen trough the veil of confusion and looked at the light of truth. Your sins are forgiven.

You will sit next to me in the afterlife as you internal reward...*






*I got reservations for 2 in Hells Cafe.

[Jeff Vader]

You will sit next to me in the afterlife as you internal reward...*






*I got reservations for 2 in Hells Cafe.

Yeah, and our band will be performing that night 

[Marcus Vesper]

If you design a torpedo cruiser whose task it to destroy battleships - and it's great for that, but you find that the enemy fields 80+ submarines and sinks your cruisers, is the cruiser a failed design? Of course it isn't. You can't rate ships/designs that way.

The Collie was designed to hunt down and destroy fleets of shivan destroyers - which it does admirably. It was never designed to duke it out with ships designed to kill ships of it's size..and even there it fairs rather well.
Ships have specific designs, SPECIFIC tasks and it's the fulfillment of that specific task by which they are rated.

"Stop any enemy attack" is as much as specific task for a ship as is "being invincible" or "omnipresent". It's more a idea than a task.

I actually agree with this 100%, though I will add that the designers also believed the idea of "Stopping any enemy attack" would be accomplished with the ship they designed.  But obviously you can't build something with that as your performance metric for success or failure, as you'd then need to declare war on everything that could possibly attack you until there's literally nothing left in the entire plane of existence that could be remotely threatening in order to realize that goal.

[LittleGrizzly]

In terms of the investment of resources and personnel compared to the damage it caused to the NTF and Shivans it was surely not worth it(I haven't actually finished FS2 yet so im hoping it doesn't go on a major killing spree to prove me wrong), though i would have to agree the point its successful at its purpose.

Big thanks to turey for the installed, kara for the FAQ, and all the people who made SCP or the mods ill be starting soon

[Jeff Vader]

Do visit the Useful Stuff website (link in my signature) to find some additional stuff that Turey's Installer doesn't download. And play through the FS2 campaign to see exactly what happens regarding the Colossus.

[Snail]

You have seen trough the veil of confusion and looked at the light of truth. Your sins are forgiven.

Get ye behind me, Satan, for your words do not come from God, but from man!

[LittleGrizzly]

Yeah ive been through your useful stuff link, was gutted as i had just gone past the part when the lucifer arrives at vasuda prime...

[Jeff Vader]

That's not a big loss, since there still is some issues with how the video is encoded. It won't play in-game, despite the modified campaign and table files. But you can always watch it outside the game with VLC Media Player, for example.

Oh, but you have it in a vp. You can get a vp editor, like Maja, and extract the video from the vp. Or you can check out the original release thread and download the video from there.

[TrashMan]

You have seen trough the veil of confusion and looked at the light of truth. Your sins are forgiven.

Get ye behind me, Satan, for your words do not come from God, but from man!

Hissssssssssssssssssssss - I mean, satan? While, I'm just an angel in disguise

[Snail]

I meant "Sathanas"

[karajorma]

The spam really needs to stay canned, okay?

[Snail]

Sorry.

The Colossus was an ugly squirtgun. It may have vaped one Sath, but it couldn't vape ~80 Saths. So the GTVA must look elsewhere other than building another 80 Colossi.

[castor]

Ok, it's clear that nothing will last in front of a Sath, let's not even try. Don't waste resources on hull plating, its worthless anyway. Prepare to lose ships rapidly. Make the ships light and small, with just a beam cannon + jump drive, and thats about it. Minimal crew. Small attack profile. No need for AA either, thats for fighters to do. Jump in from multiple directions, using as-low-cost-as-possible carries, deploy the ships, attack, jump-out. Gather again for the next round.

[TrashMan]

beam cannons with engines You don't need more.. just mass produce them..Hmmm..maybe stick 2 AAAf's on each one and you're good to go.

Imagine 100 cannons like that. Thats 200 AAAf's total!