[maje]

Doesn't Crusade's REAL story have more to do with the Technomages and their origins?

Crusade may have started with the Drakh Plague, but that's just a false story to drag you into the main story.

Babylon 5 did this in that at first, you think the big story is why the Minbari surrendered at the Battle of the Line, and in turn, that really was just a trap door into the real story, the conflict between the Vorlons and the Shadows.

[karajorma]

JMS himself said that the whole plague story would have been wrapped up by season 3.

[maje]

Did JMS allude to what Seasons 4 and 5 would entail?

[terran_emperor]

We discover that there's a much broader problem even than the plague - it had to do with Earth using Shadow technology in ways they shouldn't be doing, and who was responsible for the destruction of captain Gideon's ship. Suffice it to say that - through a series of incidents - the Excalibur crew would have been considered traitors and have to basically be on the run. Further, the cure that Earth would have believed to be the right one would not in fact work as they think it would have worked. Our guys would find out about this, and no one would have believed them. As things unravel, it's a larger conspiracy, so basically - after the second year - the show you think Crusade is would be a whole different show, with much more depth to it, more political, more controversial in some ways, and would deal with the impact of technology on society, would cast our characters as renegades and loners without port, and turn the whole series upside-down. The whole plague thing was really just a way to get the thing going and give them something to do in the beginning while we establish the characters before we pull the plug and change the whole nature of the show into something I think would probably have been revolutionary - but we never got that far.

---quoted from somewhere...cant remember where though

Basically from this i;ve made the following inturpetations
*Plague cured -sorta- in season 2
*Excalibur delcared traitors by end of season 2
*Season 3 is spent on the run
*Season 4 the crew find out the truth about the Conspiracy...
*S5 - everything comes to a head for now. -Cure administered, conspiracy unwound etc

-I've had some thought about the purpose of the conspiracy and abiut the A-Box origins...Hell, im considering throwing one or two other groups into the mix....the [EYES ONLY] and the [EYES ONLY]

[P-90_177]

Be sure to let me know about those when you're ready to reveal it. lol. 

[IPAndrews]

I'm a big fan of the apocalypse box

[P-90_177]

I'm a big fan of the apocalypse box

you'll have to forgive my ignorance but while i have watched crusade i never paid that much attention. remind me what the apocalypse box is again please?

[terran_emperor]

http://www.comp.dit.ie/dgordon/ApocalypseBox/ - that wierd yellow/black box that give gideon advice from time to time...a sort of alien version of Deep Throat from X-files (Galen also fills that role...)

As to what the A-Box was that would have no-doubt been revealed eventually

[maje]

The Apocalypse Box has two possibilities: It's either Shadow or Vorlon in origin.
Either way, it said not to trust Galen.  Now, it's obvious why the Vorlons wouldn't be all for the Technomages, but as for the Shadows, well, they might have felt betrayed seeing how the mages would rather run than fight, like their ancestors, the Taratimude.

[P-90_177]

Having watched a few episodes again it certainly looks vorlon in design. the voice also sounded a little like a vorlons.

[terran_emperor]

P-90_177. You've just given me a briliant idea for the A-Box origin...I'm not saying what it is  ...but part of it has been discussed quite a bit about a about 1/2 a year ago in this section....Sufficed to say that i may have more show up...it also ties into the events of the other b-5S Spin-offs. In fact...The way ive got things tied in....I think JMS aka GOD would approve

And now everything has gotten so....interwoven(?) (Im not sure if that's the way to put it) I think overall I shall rename this project
"Crusade: The Spider's Web"...

Hell...I might even Novelize this as a fanfic...

[P-90_177]

I would say 'yeah good idea man'....................but I have no idea what you've come up with so that's a bit difficult lol.

[Flipside]

To be honest, the A-Box always looked techno-magical in origin. I always kind of suspected that was actually one of Galens little toys and that he was, for whatever reason, pointing the captain in two direction at once, which is the sort of thing he would do, I suppose it is some kind of test, will he choose between technology or friendship at a crucial moment?

That was always my take anyway.

[Whitelight]

To be honest, the A-Box always looked techno-magical in origin. I always kind of suspected that was actually one of Galens little toys and that he was, for whatever reason, pointing the captain in two direction at once, which is the sort of thing he would do, I suppose it is some kind of test, will he choose between technology or friendship at a crucial moment?

That was always my take anyway.

     That makes perfect sence 

[Flipside]

Heh, thanks I've just been watching Into the Fire again, so I'm going to wax theoretical here....

The reason I got thinking like that is because of the two 'extra' questions that Galen tags onto the Vorlon and Shadow questions ('Who are You?', 'What do you want?'), which were 'Who do you serve and who do you trust?'. He goes where the box bids him to go, effectively serving it, but I wondered if there might come a point in the series where his service and his trust are at odds, and that is where he has to answer those final two questions.

[terran_emperor]

Now that 3.4b final has been released, I will soon start FREDing. Expected time a release is when ever i get it done.

Now, since my modeling skills beyond TBL/Model Hacks and Reskins are almost non-existant I REALLY need someone to model the Following ships/Other:
Important ones (Ones essential to the campaign) are highlighted in Red
Blue indicates models that I would like to have, but aren't essential - I can always import ships from other FS mods to take their place.

Ships
*Technomage Transport
*An Earth/Shadow Hybrid fighter - I will provide concept art for this soon
*Surgical fighter from "Racing the Night"
*Moradi Heavy cruiser and shuttle from "The needs of the Earth"
*Icarus scout
*Unarmed version of the Space Suit from Hades combine
*Drakh version of this model - (I may just make this a reskin, but i would prefer it to be a different model)
*Gideon's Speeder bike from "Racing the Night"
*Drydock's from "A Call To Arms"
(One other ship, which i will PM to the Modeler - for Secrecy's sake)

Surface Plates - modded from the Moon Surface plate
*Valley
*Hilly Region
*Mountain
*I would also like artwork to reskin each of them to show different environmets

Building for cities in surface missions
*Sky Scraper - up 1km high
*Tall Building -
*Medium sized buildings - around 100m high
*Small - ~50m high
*Very small ~ 10m high
 I will not ask for that wierd ship from "Appearances and Other Deceits" - instead i may import some medels from FS1/2/other Mods

All i need are the the models. I'll provide the TBL/M entrys

There are some other models that are required - but they are just TBL/Model hacks and/or Reskins so I can handle them easily

[Vidmaster]

I dont want to disappoint you but you are asking for a lot. And you should consider supplying pictures, since not every modeller here is Babylon5 fanatic and knows the stuff by heart.

[terran_emperor]

Sure...At least 5 of the ships that i'd like are reskins...Don't worry about them i can handle them

Technomage Shuttle

According to the Babylon 5 RPG, this ship is Pinnace class

***Ships that are Essential to the campaign***
Earth/Shadow Hybrid Fighter
Concept art- when it is drawn
*A Hybrid fighter developed from the Thunderbolt Starfury. Though at first, you wouldn't be able to guess it. However after careful comparison, the similarities can be seen

***Ships I'd Really like to have
Several of the others that i would like are found here: at the B5 Scrolls
http://ftp.themadgoner.com/B5/B5Scrolls/B5Scrolls.htm
Crusade Speeder Bike+Rider - MIA Ships section - will post better images when i find tem
IPX Icarus Scout - Earth-Other Section
PSI-Corps Armoured Transport - Earth-Other
Boomer Troop Transport - Earthforce Section
 
***Ships that i would be nice to have***These models would be nice to have, but i can always replace with FS2 models
Also found at the b5 Scrolls
Surgeon Fighter - Unknown Section
Modradi Cruiser and Shuttle - Miscallaneous Section
(Some lowQ images found here http://www.isnnews.net/hyperspace/races/index.html)
 
***Space Suit Versions***
Do you know that Space suit Model that is used in the FS2 Campaign "Blue planet"? Basically they are alterations of that
The unarmed version is obvious -
*Remove all weapon banks from the Model - I don't mean remove the pathways. I mean physically (Virtually?) remove them from model all together
*Remove the Weapons subsystem
*Give the model Arms, similar style to its legs 

The Drakh Version is just that  Mostly a Drakh reskin but also a modified Model
*Remove all Missile Banks - the Big square things on the left of the model and the two on the right shoulder
*Remove Gun Bank 2 ( The big cannon where the model's Right arm would be) - Replace with a Right Arm

***
Never-mind about the Dry-Docks - I'll import models from the various other FS Mods

[terran_emperor]

The Buildings are easy - they are generic models for making a city
*No Subsystems or Paths (Except a Fighter bay+paths and Docking points)
I don't care too much for the look but try to keep them consistent

Surface plates - Modified from the Moon surface
*The three different types i would like are
1)Valley
2)Hilly region - mix of high and low lands
3) mountain
These should be Obvious as to how they look
Anyone who has played "Dropship: United Peace Force" these descriptions should come in handy
*Valley is similar to the canyon seen in the first 2 missions in North Africa
*Hilly region similar to the surface used in the Columbia Missions
*Mountainous region - The surface plate used in the final Kazakhstan mission

-The default skin for all three is the same one used for the lunar surface
I would like the following skins made for them
Mars - All
Snow - All
Mountain - Just the mountain
Desert - all but the Mountain region
Greenland - all but the mountain

[Slasher]

Someone threw a black paper airplane at one of the concept artists for Crusade and it really hit him in the head.