[terran_emperor]

Definitly agree with the too high poly count and thus building the model from scratch.

As for the detail in the model, if you want to add them, do so. It would be nice to see the ship a little less bland.

Also, do you think you could manage an all-black reskin of the Thunderbolt? Ive been having trouble in that area

[Topgun]

Also, do you think you could manage an all-black reskin of the Thunderbolt? Ive been having trouble in that area

how black? pure black or a realistic black (ie, with dirt and what not)? or a shadow style black?

[terran_emperor]

like the panels that make up the craft are black...Sorta like the PSI-Bolt but cmpletly black

[terran_emperor]

Testing out the Shadowbolt. It handels well, best for swarm tactics though. Godd against fighters, though numbers overwhelm.

Havent tried against capitals, but recomend the above mentioned swarm tactics

Couple of points:
1) Change the Species to Shadow to keep in line with the Shadow Hybrid (or change the Hybrid's species to others)
2) Either make a purple "shadow" version of the 45mm cannon or make the SH Quantum Pulse and Bolt weapons available to them

[IPAndrews]

(or change the Hybrid's species to others)

Want you campaign to break everyone else's campaign? Yes? Great! Here's how to do it:

Step 1) Needlessly modify existing ships that other people may be using in their campaigns.
Step 2) Nothing. You're done already! 

[0rph3u5]

(or change the Hybrid's species to others)

Want you campaign to break everyone else's campaign? Yes? Great! Here's how to do it:

Step 1) Needlessly modify existing ships that other people may be using in their campaigns.
Step 2) Nothing. You're done already! 

Gosh, IP!
Since TBP is standalone YOU CAN USE THE MOD FEATURE like any other FSSCP project does as well...
that's
1st - very easy
2nd - it avoids the mentioned conflicts!

I'm willing to HELP ANYONE to get the mod-feature rolling (in deed I plan to use it myself on a DoW-Trilogy release once DoW 3 is finished)

[IPAndrews]

Sure. You can also use tbm files to create new ships.tbl entries. Which is another and I think more elegant solution. Anything but modifying the original ships.tbl entry. The important thing is people take into account that if you modify someone's installation of TBP in a way which makes it differ from the standard you aren't doing them a favour.

[0rph3u5]

damn you are missing my point!

with the mod-feature HE can without affecting the standard installation

look how all those FS2 mods do!
eg look at INFR1 for SCP  - they completely overhault the tables using a new ships and weapon.tbl - but due to the nature of the mod feature and how the INFR1 installation for SCP is organized it does not effect the main installation -
the effects of the new table are not used UNTIL SELECTED IN THE LAUNCHER

[terran_emperor]

Excuse me....how many people have used the Hybrid? And what if i want to change the stats for the Nova or Hyperion?
Im thinking be two versions of the nova: The original bought to the level they were at in 2266 (likely thier level in the EA Civil War)
and a Second version aupgraded to handel drahk.

-heres a table of the nova:Model and when it goes goes
Pre-Dilgar War: Nova Alpha - Not used in the mod
Post-Dilgar War/Minbari War: Nova Beta -  not used in the Mod
Post EM-War/EA Civil war/Drakh Battle of the Line: Nova Gamma - TBL hack of the existing entry
Post Drakh Battle of the line: Nova Delta - New entry

The Shadow bolt..
First off the Shadowbolt is a new fighter for this campaign.
1) The reason im considering changing the Species of it or the the Shadow Hybrid is consistansy.
Both ships are Hybrids of Shadow and Earth Tech but they look more shadow than earth, when compared to the Omega-X or Warlock...

Maybe ill have 2 Entries for the Shadow Hybrid...One as a "Shadows" vessel, the other given a class-name (Dark Rage) and in the others catagory...

2) This is doing one of two things. making a second version of the 45mm cannon. Not changing the original, but making a new version unique for this fighter. OR just adding existing weapons to its TBL entry.
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I think Orph3u5 has got the solution...I mean i dont know how all the music is going to fit in, so i may have to replace some of the existing track. nd the only way i can think of to do that is with the mod-feature in the Launcher, like for Blue Planet or INFR1

[IPAndrews]

damn you are missing my point!

No you misunderstood my point. Frankly I don't give a damn how he avoids screwing up the standard installation and everyone else's campaign as long as he actively tries to avoid it. You see? When I see him making comments like this:

Excuse me....how many people have used the Hybrid?

It doesn't fill me with a great deal of confidence really. Anyway your solution of using the -mod flag will work so as long as he does that if he's going to screw with the installation then I'm happy. So we can let this lie and let him get on with making his campaign.

[maje]

Funnily enough, I purposely set the shadowbolt as "Others" in the TBM file, because it wouldn't work when I tried to name the species "Shadows".

Well, whatever.

[terran_emperor]

Well, I'll change the Hybrid to "others" to keep them consistant. Still have to try the Shadowbolt out on against capitals...

[terran_emperor]

I'm Back and the Shadow-bolt is excellent. Maje did a brilliant job

[madaboutgames]

I agree totally, At the end of the day you are making the campiagn for people to play, and that person will most likely have the normal tbp installed.  So if everyone who made campaigns and missions stuck to using the same tables and freded their way around it then there would be no compatibilty issues as we are all using the same version to test and play.

My two cents

[terran_emperor]

This has been said to death but "MOD SELECTION TAB ON THE INSTALLER"

I'll try and get a demo done before August

[0rph3u5]

"MOD SELECTION TAB ON THE INSTALLER"

Spread the word, brother!

[emi_100]

I'll try and get a demo done before August

any updates? 

[Topgun]

release dates are meaningless here. just wait until it's done.

[emi_100]

release dates are meaningless here. just wait until it's done.

.... ....
I just ask for updates, because nobody post nothing for a while 
I hope this project isn't dead.. or dying.

[terran_emperor]

Its still alive...Just kind of on hold due to graphics errors on my computer - i need to buy a completely new graphics card for my computer - And some life problems - but those are private.

FRED works fine. But my graphic card has decided it cant handle the games too well

I'm designing the missions on paper. Then FREDing them when i have the patience.

My biggest problem other than my graphics card and life woes is that my modelling skills are limited to Reskins, POF hacks (Changing path, etc, data in POF files) and TBL hacks. So I need modelers. Otherwise im going to have to borrow models from other FS campaigns. Unfortunatly i dont have the clout to get a team together

I may do an Anti-Drahk campaign ive got in the planning stages as an artistic prelude and storyline sidequel. May include hints towards the Project crusade storyline.

Cant really do much until i get back on to a permanent Internet conection